Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

So you admit that Floyd's era is, in relative terms, garbage compared to Ray's, and you also admit that of Floyd's "six A-level" wins, only one, by your own criteria, can be considered anything close to an ATG (De La Hoya).

I'm done here.

 

I'd like to know who your list of 25 people are that would beat Floyd right now from 130-147? :huh

 

Accomplishment wise, I would rank him top 20 if he beat the three fighters you listed. So in that regard, he'd be on par with them (probably above Hearns and below Leonard). It would be a great accomplishment for Floyd to clean out 147, collecting 3 or possibly all 4 of the title belts. That's rare in today's game. I couldn't knock him for that.

But H2H, no. Absolutely not. Simply because I've seen extensive footage of Leonard and Hearns at welterweight. Mosley, Cotto, and Margarito don't compare, and I'm saying this as a guy who likes Cotto more than Leonard or Hearns. From a technical standpoint and from an athletic standpoint, the 1980s crop of welterweights were unbelievable. The quality has gone down incrementally since that time.

Nothing will change my opinion that Mayweather wouldn't win a round against Hearns. Cotto, Mosley, and Margarito are far apart stylistically from Hearns, so wins over them wouldn't prove much H2H. Mayweather would never get past the jab. And he doesn't have it in him to put the pressure on Hearns and be effective making in a dog-fight. Ask yourself this: is he going to outbox Hearns from the outside? Is he going to potshot and outmanuver Hearns? Is he going to be successful putting pressure on Hearns the way he did against Judah?

Leonard will always be favored comfortably over Mayweather (by a wide UD or a late TKO). His potshotting routine wouldn't work against somebody with a big size advantage, a solid defense, more speed, a longer reach, and equally good movement. Mayweather showed outside vulnerabilities to Judah due to the speed, so take Hearns and Leonard, both of whom are taller, and you've got yourself two damn near impossible fights for Floyd to win.

He couldn't get a dominant win over an old De La Hoya.

 

Cotto does beat Floyd, which is part of the reason Floyd is ducking him like a woman. Style-wise, he's perfect to get the job done, but that's for another day.

You say Mayweather beats Gavilan because Gavilan fought in black and white or because you've seen a 5 minute clip on Youtube where you were pessimistic from the beginning, not because he actually would beat him.

That statistic sounds utterly insane, but I'll look it up. Either way Robinson had very long arms as well, and was a far more powerful fighter than Floyd. He's having trouble dealing with old Oscar's style until Oscar gasses like always, and you think he deals with Robinson effectively? Let's just say I disagree, very strongly.

 

Look at when nearly all athletics records were set.....95 - now.

Look at what a specimen Rafael Nadal is compared to say Bjorg was in tennis.

In football you now have guys running in excess of 8 miles in a match which was unheard of years ago.


In boxing now, there is no doubts they are much fitter, it just fits with the natural progression that is shown in humans and in other sports. By having a nutritionist telling you what to eat, if you have an experienced trainer telling you how to train and you have a body builder telling you how to cut and gain weight it goes without saying that you'll be infinitely fitter. I'd say in older fights there were more breathers, it was less intense, they had smaller gloves which limits fatigue and less muscle mass helped as well.

 

And you're a ****** because you somehow equate a per capita basis on the quality of the fights.

You're comparing what Floyd MIGHT be able to do with 200 fights against Robinson how HAD 200 fights.

I'll take maths if you take some english and perhaps some boxing history lessons as well.

You got no answer for Floyd's hand issue there though do you? Or frequency, or how he would deal with a 160 lbs Robinson.

 

All time, now current, but here you go.

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Julio Cesar Chavez

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me too!

 

taking a mathamatical approach doesn't take into account the fact that SRR fought several othese fighter out of his natural weight class pbf has only beaten 1 A level fighter out of his natural weight class and that is OSCAR. there for if you want to really do the math MR mathmatican you have to include the weight of the A level fighters and the difference from his natural weight class there for PBF is still a lesser fighter :hi:

 

oh i thought you meant active fighters.

 

In other words you missed my point on how boxing has hit a huge valley in its evolution with the talent drop off in recent years? In other words you missed my entire post? There is a large difference between boxing and other sports at this time, especially sports like track and field, which rely fully on those things(nutrition, steroids, etc), very unlike boxing.

More breathers? Most moderners seem to talk of how much more brutal it was back then. More breathers? What does that even mean? You fought for 15 rounds with a one minute break in between. You fought with smaller gloves, where body shots took a much larger toll, and you're trying to tell me it slightly limits fatigue because they weight slightly less when holding your hands up?

Less muscle mass? First you're telling me muscle mass and diet, exercise, etc in modern fighters helps, now you're telling me lack of it helped old timers from tiring as quickly? atsch