Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

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The referee should have stopped this one long ago. This is how accidents happen.

 

OK, but he's still not faced fighters on the same level as those mentioned. Nowhere near that level as well, and has struggled with fighters the likes of Leonard and Hearns would've blasted out. And being the "last true analyst" that you are, you should be pretty well able to analyze how a fight between Floyd and Hearns would go down. At least admit that.

 

Sweet Pea,

Can I ask you, in your opinion how would a fantasy match between Cotto and Pernell Whitaker go?

 

Agreed with you there. Wins over Margarito, De La Hoya, Mayweather, and the rest of the 147 pound lot (and a title belt at 154 for good measure) would get him a good ranking in my list. It's obviously a long way off, but I don't doubt he can find his way on the ATG lists.

Look at this in terms of quality opposition. Duran, at 147, lost decisevely to Sugar Ray Leonard. Hearns by Leonard. Benitez to Leonard. And Leonard to Duran. Neither Mayweather or Cotto has ever faced an opponent with the ability of anyone of the best welterweights of the fab four era.

And on film, there's no question, to me at least, that Duran, Hearns, Leonard, and Benitez are superior to Mayweather and Cotto. Mayweather struggled with Hatton and Judah. I never saw a prime Leonard struggle that much against B level fighters.

 

I agree, because that stage(early 1900's and prior) was a primitive one technically for boxing, but it does show how off you guys's stamina and physical ability talks are, even at that early stage.

In later stages(we'll say 40's) they were fighting 15 round fights, with similar technical abilities to today, while still in much tougher conditions. I'd have a tough time seeing how most modern fighters would last in that, given the extra stamina needed to go those extra rounds, the leniency the refs had, etc.

 

I can't think of that because Floyd's CHARACTER - his CHARACTER is the thing that would stop him from fighting that often. He just doesn't do it - Again - You're comparing what he COULD do to actual achievement.

 

taking a mathamatical approach doesn't take into account the fact that SRR fought several of these fighter out of his natural weight class pbf has only beaten 1 A level fighter out of his natural weight class and that is OSCAR. there for if you want to really do the math MR mathmatican you have to include the weight of the A level fighters and the difference from his natural weight class there for PBF is still a lesser fighter :hi:

 

Sp1974 your mathamatical theroy is flawed and you forgot to take into account some very important facts .

and taking a mathamatical approach to boxing does not prove anything

especially when it's a flawed formula:yep

 

It'd be a competitive fight, very much so. However, Cotto is more of a boxer than someone like Chavez, who relied more on pressing hard when his boxing wasn't working. Cotto is not the swarmer that many other pressure fighters were. Methodical pressure is the way to beat Floyd, not so much Whitaker, because the more room he had to operate, the worse off the opponent was. Whitaker was far better off the backfoot than Floyd, which is a major reason he was so good at dealing with pressure, and a major reason I'd pick guys like Cotto and Chavez to beat Floyd.

I see Whitaker's jab and skill off the backfoot being the difference, whereas Mayweather would attempt to fight off the ropes, pot-shot and counter, which has proven to not be quite as useful when faced with a skilled technical pressure fighter like Castillo.

 

I said skill set was one thing and the difference in fitness as another thing entirely, seems you missed that.

There is not that much difference between boxing and other sports. It's just that other sports can accurately measure the differences between now and 25 years ago, boxing can't.

Boxing definitely relies on nutrition, if it didn't, all fighters would eat pie and chips, ditch the nutritionist and be out on the **** every night.

I'd say the introduction of weights would be a major advantage for the current fighters over the old guard.....but then use of weights, especially if you bulk up a lot can be a big reducer in stamina.

These guys train for 12 rounds and most of them fight it comfortably, obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but most guys do it well.

Look, I've seen gypseys fight for an hour non stop, so the fact that older boxers fought for 30 rounds + means nothing, it doesn't mean they're fitter.....it just means they made for less quality fights as it's not humanly possible to keep up a good fighting pace for that long.


The fact that these guys were fighting all the time should tell you something. This means a lot of these guys would have been fighting when they were injured/tired, so on fight night they would have always been at a disadvantage to current fighters who fight when they are 100% or not at all. Are you now going to tell me these injured old pros were still fitter when carrying injuries than the current crop??

 

I can't think of that because Floyd's CHARACTER - his CHARACTER is the thing that would stop him from fighting that often. He just doesn't do it - Again - You're comparing what he COULD do to actual achievement.

For a "writer", you lack comprehension - You're applying mathematical equation to justify a point that is based on fighting spirit - Last time I checked Floyd's is consistently questioned.

Floyd's hand problems are well documented - They occured back when he fought mopre than three times a year... again - going on what actually HAPPENED in the past - I don't believe Floyd's brittle hands hold up.

You want to talk about era's - Floyd's hands in the 24/7 show with his special Dr - What do you reckon he'd get in 1940's America for that - How's his hands holding up there?

So De La Hoya - at 154 - Who started out at 135 - Is a litmus test to gauge how he would go against Robison as a 160 lbs fighter?

The argument gets more tenuous by the second.

No wonder you didn't write for boxingtalk...their email traffic would quadruple with complaints.

 

Trinidad was a monster a 147 before the Oscar fight. he fell in love with his power and after 17 title defenses really started to struggle to make weight. And mayweather does not throw enough Combo's to keep trinidad off him ala DLH (or power???). Trinidad was a 15 round fighter fighting 12 rounders his stamina was imppecable, especially in the championship rounds. The Trinidad who beat Oba Carr, would quite possibly Knock Mayweather out.

 

who say cotto could go 40 rounds? we know they could?

and who's to say cotto would stil go strong after 12 let alone 15

he was a lil wore out after 12 with shane

 

You tell me why somebody from the 1900's could fight 40 rounds, but a human who has advanced so much in that time and now has the best nutritionists/trainers/training techniques couldn't???