Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

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  1. Sweet Pea

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    Camacho at 130. A fighter you've clearly never seen fight, otherwise you'd know he was one of the fighters on a short list of "Quickest of all time". We're going on styles here, and a quicker fighter with a southpaw stance(an admitted weakness according to Floyd himself) and fantastic boxing skills himself(pre Rosario) would give Floyd hell.

    Taylor has a good chance with his amazing quickness and workrate. How does Floyd beat him do you think? Are you insinuating that Floyd would press him and TKO him in the late rounds like Chavez did?

    Trinidad? I don't even know where you're going with this one. The only mistake I made was not bolding him in red, as he should be favaored over Floyd. A fighter 3 weight classes above his best who relies on counter-punching off the ropes and in range is going to beat a murderous puncher like Tito when he's there all fight to be hit? I'd have to at least assume Mayweather would be smart and fight on his bicycle all night, otherwise he's getting KO'd, but he's not winning a fight getting pressed and unloaded on while fleeing contact. Just doesn't happen, especially with a much bigger, constantly pressing fighter like Tito.

    Of course you think Mayweather would just pot-shot all of them, as he does so well against the likes of Gatti and Baldomir.
     
  2. Ring Master

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    Thank you for your response but can you elaborate on Cotto - Sweet pea match? who wins and how?TKO/KO/UD?
     
  3. doomeddisciple

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    Comacho is an interesting comparison Pea - I would put PBF and Macho man's thirst for battle on par with one another.

    That would be a compelling fight...
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    That would kind of prove my point that they were tougher when they're going 15 hard rounds with injuries would it not?

    What you illustrated is a reason I don't believe many modern fighters would be able to compete in such tougher circumstances, being as the scene they are used to is far different from the scene of yesterday in terms of fight conditions, fight tactics(lenient referees, dirty fighters, etc), and consistency of fights.
     
  5. tays001

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    it called body adabtability. those fighters frequently fought those type of fight s so their bodies grew accustome to the strain and punishment.

    even go so far as back to 15 rounders and you will notice them boncing off the foot with stamina

    while our fighter great as they are today are gassed after 12

    some one like pbf, joe calzaghe and such i belive could do it though as they are extreamly conditioned fighters but even them would have trouble because their bodies aren't accustomed to doing so.
     
  6. Sweet Pea

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    Whitaker by UD, probably around 8 rounds to 4. I aplogize for the lack of thoughtful analysis, my brain is damn near fried from this debate.
     
  7. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You don't realize that Trinidad had real trouble with slick boxers with speed? Yes, he had great stamina, but so does Floyd. There's a reason why people look at Floyd and wonder where he rates among the all time greats. Nobody looked at guys like Trinidad (can't fight going backwards ala most punchers), M. Taylor, and Hector Camacho. Did anybody look at those fighters and wonder if they were the best or among the best every P4P?
     
  8. Sweet Pea

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    Isn't that what you're here to tell us?
     
  9. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    what i really want is for this SP1976 guy to address my post where i point out his mathamatical formula's flaws.
     
  10. Ring Master

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    No doubt, i wasn't trying to argue the merits of your Cotto pick against PBF via Whitaker. I just thought about the match up and figuered who better to ask.
     
  11. Ring Master

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    You mean like Oba Carr, David Reid, William Joppy...
     
  12. Sweet Pea

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    No, because Floyd has remained undefeated fighting lesser competition than they did, which is why he's kept his 0. It is enough to fool casual fans and lesser intellects like yourself who don't bring quality of opposition into play.

    You honestly think Floyd goes undefeated against the 90's crop of De La Hoya, Mosley, Quartey, Vargas, Forrest, etc? I'd have a hard time believing he'd have even moved up to WW in that time period.

    As far as the Tito/Floyd matchup. Tito has trouble dealing with similar sized boxers(or bigger) who are able to keep him honest or have something to keep him off with. What does Floyd have? A body jab that he'll pop every now and then? You're forgetting that the Floyd of 147 is nowhere near the Floyd of 130, in any area, especially mobility, which is why I'd pick most of the top pressure fighters over him.

    I'd favor Floyd over pretty much anybody at 130, all time.
     
  13. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mayweather started his career at 130 12 years ago and could still make 140 easily. When he fought Coralles at 130, Coralles weighed 146 on the day of the fight. What the **** are you talking about? Baldomir walks around at 170-175lbs. Mayweather is a natural 135-140 pounder who has been walking around at between 135-150lbs for years and facing guys who walk around at 145-175 for years, what the **** are you talking about?
     
  14. onourway

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    By fighting with injuries it only serves to dehabilitate your body.

    I think it goes without saying that it's much better to preserve your body as they do now than wear it down as they used to.

    If you continually fought with injuries in the modern day, you'd quickly find yourself being a shot fighter.

    I think nowadays you have to come into the ring in top shape or you will lose, can't really say that for the older days.
     
  15. southpaw1974

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    Even if Tito somehow beats Floyd due to having a natural size advantage (and I don't think he does), he isn't anywhere near him in an all time P4P sense. Also, you didn't address the inclusion of Meldrick Taylor and Hector Camacho. You don't agree that's ****ing insane?