Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

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  1. Sweet Pea

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    So, once again, do you believe modern fighters were fare any better in those days, considering they'd be fighting in those circumstances, with those injuries, those fight schedules, etc.?
     
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  2. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, I think Floyd goes undefeated against those guys as well. Oh yeah, hard to believe Mayweather would have moved up to 147 in the 90's. Hard to believe a guy who started his career at 130 and after he fights and beats Cotto will have beaten A level opposition in every division he's fought in would want to fight those guys and make millions in the process. I find it funny that none of you dispute that he is P4P #1 and incredibly skilled and athletic but somehow he couldn't fight in an era with inferior athletes, go an extra 3 rounds, and would have possibly lost to guys like Hector Camacho and Meldrick Taylor. If you guys are "intellectual" I'd rather be dumb.
     
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  3. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    nonono because they weighed the same during the weigh in and they had sam day weigh in back then pbf natural weight based on heights and skelatol structure is acutally 139- 145 so again please come with something better:deal
     
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  4. Sweet Pea

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    I addressed that in an earlier post. If you think Camacho has no chance at 130 then it shows your lack of knowledge about the man.

    There was a thread started just the other day about Floyd vs Camacho at 130, and a pretty good majority picked Camacho. He's on a very short list of the fastest fighters of all time, even faster than Floyd at the weight. Also, combined with being a southpaw and a fantastic boxer at that stage of his career(prior to becoming a boring runner post Rosario) he'd give Floyd hell. Tough fight to call.

    As for Meldrick, read my other post that you missed. I'm re-posting the same stuff.

    I will get back to you guys later, my brain is fried, I can't even think of decent vocabulary nor analysis anymore. This has gone on too long.
     
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  5. Sweet Pea

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    Well there's the problem with the whole debate, it has nothing to do with evolution of sport or any of that, it has to do with you riding Mayweather's jock like a madman. I guess I've solved this puzzle.

    I'll get back to you later on these matchups, but the only one I see him winning is Mosley. Forrest is up for debate.
     
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  6. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    This all comes down to fighters being underrated and overrated, as well as a lack of taking quality of opposition into play. The WWs in the 90s were stacked with amazing opposition...It is a cake walk right now! Some of you are so easily impressed...
     
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  7. tays001

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    your ignorance is simply a thing of unnatural beauty. they had same day weigh in back then and the fights signed for when pbf signed them were at those weight it's acually a handicap for a fighter to drain them selves that much and then rapidly put on that weight scientificly speaking it's more of a disadvatage then advantage the only thing it realy gives you is more weight on your punches if the punch is thrown right but it actuall diblilates your other senses and usally make your reaction time slower thats why alot of those figter that do that don't seem as strong and alot slower take mAYo vs DLH for example MAY weighed 180 or so for the fight come fight tiem he seemd hardly as strong as he use to or take jmes toney at 168 for RJJ so know again come with something better:D
     
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  8. southpaw1974

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    It would be easier to simply ask if modern fighters right now suddenly had to fight once or twice a month (like Tyson was doing in the beginning of his career) and go 15 rounds instead of 12. One other thing to put into account, eveyone was in the same boat. Fighting that often meant that everybody was prone to injury and weren't 100% for any of their fights. If Robinson fought with an injury, the odds are the his opponents did too. Robinson suffered from heat exhaustion, but as Maxim said his corner wasn't exactly air conditioned.
     
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  9. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My point is that most fighters that Mayweather has faced were naturally bigger than him. Also, most fighters walk around at 15-20 lbs above their weight division. Mayweather is an exception in that he has always walked around at or within 5lbs of the division he was fighting in.
     
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  10. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    now look at you :nono

    IM getting jelous with you giving PEA all the attention:smooch

    look like me and Sweet pea my just have to do you like a chinesse finger trap ..:yep

    your ass is getting owned and your brasping for straws and your mathamatical formula is still flawed:thumbsup
     
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  11. southpaw1974

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    My arguement for Mayweather being better than Robinson is based both on the evolution of the sport, as well as skill level. How about considering the fact that you are grossly underrating Mayweather? Why is it always me overrating him?? Has anybody every considered Forrest, Quartey, or Vargas to be all time greats? Yet you are considering them to be as good or better than Mayweather?? That's insane.
     
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  12. tays001

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    but the factis he stays that weigh be cause of his training methods and trains daily.

    **** he trains even when he isn't the man is in shape.

    a true rarity those other fighters don't have that deication and balloon up. thats not there natural weight thats being a FAT ASS!!

    you think vargas is really a HEavy weight?

    hell no but he was walking around at that weight.

    PBF and JOE C stay in shpe ala B-hop year round other fighters don't.
     
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  13. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    The logic here is sad :patsch
     
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  14. Ziggy Montana

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    Newbies... :-(
     
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  15. southpaw1974

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    Yes, but my point is that he has consistently faced fighters that were naturally bigger than him. His biggest wins were against fighters that were naturally bigger than him. Castillo was a very big lightweight who had trouble making 140 as you know. Coralles was almost 6 feet tall and should have been fighting at 140. Hatton started at 140 (ten pounds more than Mayweather) and may be shorter than Floyd but is stronger and naturally thicker. De La Hoya started at 130, but had the body to move all the way up to 160 and is a natural 147-154 pounder even when in shape. These guys were used to cutting weight, and were strong enough at those weights to knock out many, many fighters but lost to Mayweather.
     
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