Robinson Was Dropped 10 Times In His Career!!

Floyd Patterson was down 19 times in his career, but got up every time.

It really doesn't matter how many times a fighter is knocked down; what matters is how many times they get up.

Furthermore, the quality of opposition is very important as well- just think: would Ray Robinson be put down (technically) by Carlos Hernandez, much less go the distance with him?

 

1) Hatton
2) Castillo (he struggled with him, and IMO is 1-1 with JLC)
3) Corrales
4) Judah

Those are Floyd's greatest wins, and you're trying to say he is better accomplished or just better than Ray Robinson? You're over here talking about the evolution of the sport....lol. You're over here so extremely impressed with Floyd Mayweather's ridiculously overrated resume by comparing him to Robinson atsch Floyd is talented as hell, but his resume is light years behind the greats..I mean what saves Floyd is his jump up in weight divisions and his amazing skills but you will never know how Floyd would have faired if his competition was better. At 130 he was one of the best ever, But you are crossing the line when you **** around with Ray Robinsons name!!!

 

What win or performance in Floyd's career would make you choose him over the three fighters that you have listed there??? lol...

Are you using Floyd's performance over a hard hitting but very limited Corrales to judge how he would do over Vernon Forrest? :huh


Are you using Floyd's performance over Zab Judah to judge how he would do against Meldrick Taylor? :huh

Are you using Floyd's performance over Old De La Hoya to judge how he would do against Hector Camacho? :huh

Are you using Floyd's performance over Jose Luis Castillo to judge how he would do against Julio Cesar Chavez or even a Duran? :huh


PLEASEEEE put this **** into perspective because as bad ass as Floyd is, when you compare him to Ray Robinson type of accomplishment than you're saying that he would be favored and be able to deal with that type of opposition...And you're doing that based off Floyd's current resume!?!? :rofl

 

UH PBF also has the body to move up hance my post of his skelatol structure and heights. there for you point has no valdiity.

i understand what your trying to say in you intital post. that a case could be made for PBF possibly being greater then SRR if at the end of his career he's still undefeated and has added 2 or 3 more atgs to his resume a case can be made for him. will it be generally accepted probbally not but it would be nice to see him in that position so that some people will 2nd geuss them selve but at this stage of his career he is not in that postion . thing is he still has a chance to change that.

my issue is with you trying to use a mathamatical formula to reason with posters when your formula is flawed and you don't take into account some important factors. once the fight is signed at that weight it there. read my post of the weight drain issue and the pro's and cons.

 

it's acually a handicap for a fighter to drain them selves that much and then rapidly put on that weight scientificly speaking it's more of a disadvatage then advantage the only thing it realy gives you is more weight on your punches if the punch is thrown right but it actuall diblilates your other senses and usally make your reaction time slower thats why alot of those figter that do that don't seem as strong and alot slower take mAYo vs DLH for example MAY weighed 180 or so for the fight come fight tiem he seemd hardly as strong as he use to or take jmes toney at 168 for RJJ

 

Of course there can be a fighter again who is more talented than SRR, but it's hard to reach that status in this era were top fighters only fight twice a year, and only in 12 rounds. Also, the talent is no were near as good as then. Also, u got to many dayum titles, back then, they only had one title in each division I believe. So to be the man, u had to really earn it by fighting the top guys. When u have 5 or 6 different titles in each division, the best don't necessary have to fight each other.

 

So the natural size advantages and style advantages they hold over him mean nothing to you?

Also, I've asked myself that question about those fighters as much as I've asked it to myself about Floyd. None. He ranks higher than any of them in an all time P4P sense based on accomplishments, but based on style matchups, Forrest is way bigger with a strong jab that could easily keep Mayweather at bay the way DLH's was in the first 7 rounds of their bout.

The logic in your posts really is sad, because you're judging "greatness" on a H2H matchup, rather than looking at styles. Was Kirkland Laing greater than Roberto Duran? Styles make matchups, especially when (in the case of Mayweather's fantasy matchups with Quartey, Vargas, and Forrest) they hold these size advantages. You act as if Floyd is super special at 147, when film clearly shows he's nowhere near the fighter he was at 130.

 

Judah - Damaged Goods.
Baldomir - Undisputed Yes - A level fighter or even B - No.
The "Man" at 154 - Only in drawing power.

That will certainly shut most up.

 

That has nothing to do with what the thread maker is saying. We all acknowledge that Floyd is an ATG and Floyd is amazing, but this guy is completely blowing off opponents that should on paper be stylistic problems for Floyd, and he is using Floyd's current resume, from what I understand to legitimize Floyd's chances over them. There is no logic at all. He is saying that Forrest Taylor Camacho etc are not ATG fighters and therefore choosing them to beat Floyd is "insane"

Whats "insane" is the lack of logic in what he is saying. How many all time greats has Floyd Mayweather beaten? None, He hasn't beaten a single all time great that was in his prime. I'm not shitting on Floyd, but that has to be taken into account as far as these H2H match ups....How can one sit back here daring to put Floyd in the same light as Ray Robinson? It's mind boggling.

 

Cotto would beat Floyd, once again.

Beating the **** out of Gatti? Are you making that out to be a big win? I don't give a rat's ****ing ass about what belt they held, I'm talking about the legitimacy of the fighters. If you're stupid enough or deluded enough to think that Gatti or Baldomir are impressive wins(especially considering how unimpressive he was against Baldomir) then this argument isn't worth my time. An old Forrest just beat Baldo's ass worse than Floyd did.

Oscar is not "the man" at 154, and he's nowhere near his prime anymore, yet Mayweather wants a rematch(and people like you condone this nonsensical bull****). Let Floyd face Cory Spinks of Vernon Forrest before he can claim "the man" at 154, even in this deteriorated state he's in.

You guys make such a big deal out of belts, yet despite the fact that everyone acknowledges Cotto as his biggest threat, and despite the fact that he already beat a past prime Oscar, he's going for a rematch and the easy money rather than facing Cotto. Wow, what a special fighter he is!

 

This thread just got beat the **** down

 

What a crock of stinking hore**** this post is. And you claim to be an analyst. You can tell fairly easily based on both his strengths and his weaknesses shown what type of fighter could beat him. Are we to assume Lennox Lewis shouldn't be favored because Floyd has never lost and we don't know if size will effect him?

 

Roy Robinson the greatest of all time.

 

I floyd fought the amount of times Ray did, and the people he did, floyd would surely have over 30 losses.