Rocky’s possible weight range?

Marciano poses with fans on the beach after sneaking a single banana before bed.

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Maricano at 192

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Marciano at 193....one pound above optimum fighting weight makes all the difference.

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Nobody would put today a guy of the rocky size in the hw division. He would be a Small cruiser with the weighing 1 day before the fight he could fight at lhw,rocky made 178 for 2 fights in 1948

 

Honest question: What exactly do you know about Marciano's diet? Other than the fact that he ate big steak and potato dinners during training camp (at some point in his career), and that Goldman monitored his snacks and intervened when he tried to sneak cookies and bananas into his room (again, at some point in his career), I can't seem to find much on his diet. Was Goldman like that with him throughout his career? Or did there come a point later in his career, when Goldman felt that Marciano needed to watch his weight? How did he eat and look when he wasn't training for fights?

 

That’s because of the time Rocky fought. They were training for 15 rounds back then. Smaller gloves. 6oz. You trained to be effective with that equipment and duration. And that diet and training would still be as effective under those rules and equipment now.

Nobody was building themselves up to be as big as they possibly could. In fact the reverse was true. Most elite fighters were no bigger than 210. SHW was less relevant. They were there. They just did not feature. Possibly because the rules and equipment did not favour them.

If the training and rules had not changed and nobody was building themselves up few would be any bigger than 220 now.

There’s so much nonsense about how much better the giant SHW of 240-260lb is. It’s nothing to celebrate.

The list of ATG 240 pound guys is very very short.


Who are they? Lennox Lewis won just 16 of 44 fights weighing 240lb or over. He drew at that size to a guy giving away 30lb for one of them. And he’s the best one!


The second best 240 pounder is Bowe. Riddick was only 240lb or above for 10 of his 40 fights. Only Seven of those fights were wins in the true sense of the word.


Who do we have after that Wlad? He was knocked out twice to guys giving away almost 20lb.


If we limit 240lb ATG’s to guys who never weighed less than 240lb we are left with just Primo Carnera as the GOAT.

Who thinks Rocky can’t beat Carnera?

 

Who says 240lbs is the criteria for a super heavyweight?

 

Who says it isn’t? You don’t think a 240 pounder is a super sized guy?

In the 1980s 215-220 seemed to be about the average weight for heavyweights. They cut 15 rounds to 12 and made the gloves 10oz pillows and they balooned in size. That was no coincidence.

It became a division where swamping the opposition with size and power became key.

Bowe and Lewis were actually great fighters though. They were very advanced technically most probably because at the beginning of their careers bulking up was less of an issue.

 

Its interesting that Marciano ,at the age of 25 only weighed 181lbs for his debut MSG fight.

 

Marciano is at his "walking weight" in some of his publicity photos, which was said to be 200-210 in Rock of Times if I remember right. That sound about right, he certainly didn't maintain 186-192 all year around, especially when he was fighting biannually. He stayed in shape so a modest gain like that sounds plausible to me.

 

It seems to me its you arbitrarily making the categories .

 

I think Rocky could easily be 210 and be just about as effective as he was at 185 with the shorter 12 round distance we have now. He could bulk up more I guess but I don't think he would be quite as good imo.
That said if he was around today he wouldn't be chasing around after cute, fast and sharp guys like Charles and Moore so he might be more effective with extra mass trading with some of the static oafs we have now.

 

It's a possibility but at 210lbs he would still have to trade with men 30/40lbs heavier and 8/9 inches taller.

 

Yes sounds a stretch when you say it like that! However I think he does ok with Anthony Joshua's opponents.