https://streamable.com/6yooo Is this the Rocky Marciano people say is a face forward fighter? Because the guy I see here has tremendous footwork, mechanics, form, balance, head movement, mobility, pace, and a very smart IQ to know when punches are coming and getting in position to slip and counter. What, next they're going to tell me that Butterbean can carry his weight, use his feet, and perform dynamic mechanics with his balance just the same way Rocky could? If he was a modern fighter, imagine all the fancy words they would use to talk about his usage of angles, and the way he commits to them. His sharp reflexes and efficient head movement. The criticism he gets here is unfair, and doesn't match the standards that his peers are held to.
"I couldn't avoid Joe's jabs I just had to take them" Rocky Marciano. This content is protected This content is protected
A. That has nothing to do with the footage I posted. B. It's a quote to describe something nice about an opponent he respected. Would you like me to pull up quotes that AJ said about fighting Wlad that could make AJ look amateurish if misused? C. If that picture proves that Rocky was a face forward fighter (interesting anyone would choose to look at a photo instead of discussing the actual footage), then I guess Ezzard Charles, whom Louis only fought a year prior, is a face forward fighter too: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uBrjL7QQ40E/hqdefault.jpg
What those photos prove is that Marciano was hit regularly and consistently by the jab of a 37 years old fighter who was years past his best . Anyone attempting to discuss Rocky Marciano with you and not agreeing with the mythical version of him that you paint will soon find himself on the end of personal verbal abuse by you and labelled a hater. You have an idealized image of Marciano in your head that you have created and nothing and nobody is going to change that and anyone even attempting to slip a glimmer of reality into your fairy tale is wasting their time. Its unhealthy the way you obsess about the man .
That's simply not true. And you just made this personal, for whatever reason, in a post accusing me of making things personal...
It may not be true, but it certainly seems that way ,you can't leave the subject alone, you are obsessed with him!
If you couldn't go an Ali thread without seeing him continually described in sophisticated manner as a bad defensive fighter, who never hit to the body, and who got tagged continually with his hands low while leaning back, it would get nauseating quickly.
A study of that clip shows that Joe Louis was capable of throwing a counter right hand but Rocky did not quite provide the necessary angle for Joe to land it. Check the 1.26-129 point of the round. Joe let's go a perfect right that would have took Rocky out as he comes in but the connection is hindered by the unconventional angle of Rockys movement. The right is not even miss timed. It's either a sheer fluke or Rocky's style is unintentionally effective at not getting knocked out as he comes in.
"I could tell early on in the fight that Joe wasn't going to be able to handle Rocky.He wasn't punching with that old zing." Mannie Seamon, Louis' trainer." My boy knocked out the great Joe Louis".Al Weill. "Your boy didn't knock out the great Joe Louis, he knocked out Joe Louis's shadow".John Roxborough Louis's manager. Next day fight report.Headline " Last Of Unusually Inspiring Star". " Lethargic,,Old,Unfit, Inept,Sad" Detroit News. "From the seventh round I knew I just didn't have it I was washed up" Joe Louis talking about the Charles fight a year BEFORE. "Everything was fine until the seventh round.My age gave me away:all ofa sudden my legs went on me.They had to practically lift me off the stool for the eight round",Louis, talking about the Marciano fight.
"I didnt figure on any problems with Marciano, he was strong sure, but he fought like a street brawler.Figured I could outbox him any time and I needed the money too much to turn it down." Yeah I was right he was just a street brawler.He couldn't touchme whenit came to boxing.Marcianow as strong though I figured with a little more training he could do it all.But right then in the ring I knew I was busting him up with my jabs." Joe Louis, recalling the Marciano fight.
You said something very interesting when you mentioned the poster's "mythical version" of Marciano. Perhaps all fighters have mythical versions of themselves conjured up in people's minds. After all, we are talking about men, some very good men, but mere men, not invincible supermen. Ali, Greb, Johnson, Marciano, and the rest of the fighters who have become exaggerated, mythical versions of themselves in the minds of many were and are overrated. Everytime Ali is called "The Greatest " that is a reference to the mythical, not the real man.