Rocky could dehydrate to super middleweight~

Yeah but most don't want to admit that Frazier or Ali would be anything less than full fledged heavyweights while making Marciano into a super middle. You may be even able to argue that prime George Foreman would have been or at least started out as a cruiserweight.

Because if we say that Frazier would be a modern day cruiser, then it means that Ali was beaten and knocked down by the equivalent of a modern day cruiserweight and that George Foreman's best win came against what would be the equivalent of a modern day cruiserweight.

 

Uh, I am spending the day with my family as it is the fourth and don't have a book at my disposal. I'll get you the source AS IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT HE USED TO WALK AROUND OVER 200.

But you are going to be waiting awhile.

 

The short answer is that I don't know.

I don't think that there is a lot of consistency, between how much weight two fighters with an optimum fighting weight of 185lbs, could cut weight by.

I might be barking up the wrong tree there, but that is how I see it.

When Rocky Maciano fought Archie Moore, there was very little difference between their weights.

They both presumably came in at the weight that they thought gave them the best chance, but Marciano looks much bigger, and they arrived at their weights in very different ways.

Would these two men have done equally well at cutting weight as far as possible?

What about Marciano and Floyd Patterson, could Marciano have gone as low as Floyd, and still functioned effectively?

I have no doubt that we could starve Marciano down to welterweight if we had to, but I highly doubt that he would ever have tempted 168, unless we are talking about a world where he turns professional earlier.

 

I am not ignoring anything, I am just pointing out that cutting water weight, is not a new thing.

Extreme weight cutting measures were rarer back int eh day, and they are not universal now.

Knowing a fighter's best/preferred fighting weight, probably doesn't give you the whole picture.

 

Ha, ha, ha. What's with the caps?

Either you just don't get it or you pretend not to. Doesn't matter what he walked around, he was in good shape at 185 and cutting 10 lbs water from there is nothing special today.

 

You're losing your calm here.

From his lowest weight as a pro Frazier would have to cut 22 lbs to make 175. That's 4 lbs less than Rocky would have to cut from his lowest weight as a pro to make 160!

And I haven't suggested that Rocky would have fought at MW today have I?

 

Uh, no he couldn't. He tortured himself to get to the weight he fought at. It isn't hard to understand.

 

Yep. And that's perfectly reasonable.

 

You seem to not really grasp the concept here. No matter how hard he worked, he still had water to cut.

 

Could Rocky dehydrate to supermiddleweight?

Could Mike Tyson?

I believe Marciano could be anything Tyson was. The only difference was training in the era both men fought.

And if you want another example.... Orlin Norris.

 

lol

 

I am prepared to say that he might have been some sort of functional fighter at 175, if that brings you some peace of mind.

Beyond that, I am not going to predict anything!

 

I never lose my calm.

Firstly, if we are going to start criticizing Marciano's body fat level (how the hell did we ever get there?), then Frazier is in big trouble!

Secondly, I am not sure what Frazier's lowest professional weight was, but it was not much above 200lbs, and not in by any means perfect condition!

Remember people are actually going after Marciano's physique here, and have asked him to drop 5lbs, before he starts weight cutting!

So to take the argument to it's logical conclusion, could Frazier not find 15 lbs from somewhere?

Apparently that is what is expected of every fighter today!