Rocky could dehydrate to super middleweight~

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  1. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Marciano was flabby at 205 complete idiot, when he was retired he weighed 220 and he was a beach ball.
     
  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Bump because im bored
     
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  3. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan Active Member Full Member

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    "Yeah no way this guy could have lost seven pounds and dehydrated 10" says the most ridiculous people I have ever seen on this forum

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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Rocky v Joe Calz?
    Joe wins a shutout decision, dropping Rock along the way......
    I'm still taking the med s!!
     
  5. thistle

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    L-HW for sure,

    S-MW would be hard for the Rocky type builds & stature... the Qawi's, Langford's and Marciano's aren't seeing S-MW.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Langford boxed at light-middleweight in his mid-twenties and turned pro at light-welter.

    Qawi boxed weighing 4lbs north of the SMW limit in his late twenties and is a natural SMW today.
     
  7. thistle

    thistle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Catchweights for the most part...

    All fighters pass through a Lower weight, especially when Very Young Pro's,
    but it is only right to view them at their natural weight i.e WW cum MW for example, not FW, LW then WW cum MW, when they never really were FW or LW.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, but these guys weren't very young pros. They were in their twenties.

    Futhermore, they were not catchweight fights. Qawi weighed 172.5 in a LHW contest in his late twenties. Sam weighed around the middleweight limit for unlimited heavyweight contests in his early twenties, maybe mid-twenties.

    The point is, what you said isn't true. They are both able to make SMW with great ease during their prime years in the modern era, that is almost sure (allowing that you can never tell 100%).

    SO would Rocky.
     
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  9. thistle

    thistle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I disagree... I doubt Langford circled 160 for too long, and Catchweights WAS the Norm, you're called a WW. but unless it's a Title Championship or Eliminator fight, the 'WW' is 155 plus, typically... thats all I'm saying.

    I can't see a Marciano Build or men like him WHO naturally weighing 180 upward, making 168.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Langford was first recorded as weighting over 168lbs in 1908. He was 25 years old. He was weighing as little as 170lbs three whole years later. It is absolutely clear that 168lbs would have been absolutely natural for Langford until he was at least 28 years old and that he was irrefutably very comfortable at that weight and below up until he was twenty-five. We know this, because chose that weight.
     
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  11. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This picture was taken about a week before the C**kell fight and Marciano was about 195-196. On fight night he weighed in at about 190, so Marciano did take 5 or 6 pounds off before the fight, which is close to the 7 pounds you mentioned him taking off.

    However, the idea of him dehydrating 10 pounds is completely ridiculous. For a fighter to comfortably make 175 they need be at around 183 7 days out. For Marciano to comfortably make 168 he’d need to be around 175 lbs 7 days out, which isn’t happening.
     
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  12. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cut and in shape are not the same thing in any century. Some people couldn't get a six pack no matter what they tried. Some of that is genetics. Rocky was about 210-215 between fights but certainly not out of shape. In his prime he would usually lose about 25-30 pounds in camp, and still no six pack, but he was in perfect fighting shape. He could seriously dehydrate and probably weigh in as a Light Heavyweight. The question then becomes: Would he? Having met the man several times, I seriously doubt it. More likely he'd try to split the difference in what he did and come in as a Heavyweight today, around 200-205 pounds, and take his chances. The training would be the same. They'd just let him eat more in camp. That would do it.
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    But, if he was coming up and competing today, surely modern nutrition works both ways?
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    Edit: Rooster4Life's and burt bienstock's posts are several years old. I don't want to imply that McGrain's quoted post is a reply to theirs, because it's obviously not.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In each Rocky film, Sylvester Stallone weighed: Rocky I: 178 pounds. Rocky II: 200 pounds. Rocky III: 163 pounds.
     
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  14. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sly is a Super Human BEAST!
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He took steroids.