It's quite likely that someone can sweat down about 20 lbs, at least for a while. But few do that for a long time. !75 lbs shouldn't present any problems whatsoever, he'd quite typical in terms of weight for LHW today. If Rocky was around today, with the same exact body he had in the 40's and 50's, he'd most likely fight at 175. Him and Beterbiev would be quite a fight.
Yes, but it's different. Someone like Sergey Kovalev comes to the ring at 175lbs and then comes to the ring at 190lbs. Someone in the fifties fighting at 175, weighs in at 175 and maybe gets up to 177, 178 for the fight. Can you not see that by it's very definition this makes much, much, much, much more possible in terms of getting down a division? There is no conceivable way Marciano would be allowed to turn professional at cruiserweight. I can say with 99% certainty that that would not happen. It's almost unthinkable.
You misunderstand me. Of course I am not saying that he couldn't cut five pounds, I am saying that he couldn't cut five pounds of body fat, as others have suggested. He would pretty much have had to start his wight cutting journey from his ring weight.
This is absolute nonsense, to be frank. The guys at LHW are the same weight in the ring as Marciano was if not higher. A guy like Anthony Yarde is probably around 200 lbs in the ring. Rocky was in the 184-189 lbs range. Sweating out 9-14 lbs wouldn't present much of a problem.
Yes, I do understand you and i'm saying that you are completely wrong. I'm saying he could ditch MORE than 5lbs of fat. This is a fighter who can't lose fat: This content is protected This is not: This content is protected In fact, he looks a lot more like Garcia at 147lbs: This content is protected That is, a fighter who could move down five weight divisions in modern era (not suggesting it.
Yes but we are not talking about getting him to 175, we are talking about taking it a step further and going for 168. Somebody like Carl Froch comes into the ring around 172 lbs, and he is a monster for a super middleweight. There have been cruisers weighing in in the low 190s and high 180s in recent years. It still happens.
Well you've disputed that he can even do 175lbs comfortably. But yes, Rocky could do 168lbs by my eye.
You really need to be more precise & acurate if you want to start a thread & be persuasive. 1) Rocky was not soft. He walked around a little over 200 & trained down. He was not as defined as some-some have even lower body fat than he had, but also some just do not look as defined at the same BF level. 2) Why use a round number that is lower than his usual, & certainly his prime weight? If you want to make a case that he could make a very specific weight, you should actually look up his typical & certainly prime weight. If you just ballpark and round down, you erode your credibility. At his best & what he said on filmwas his prime weight-& lighter than his amateur days around 195-he was 187/188 lbs. So could he make SMW? Of course he could, but the question would be would he be weakened by dehydrating too much or &/or losing too much muscle. At his lightest he could do it fairly comforatably. When ~ 188 it would be a stretch, losing more than 10% of body weight. Only with day before weigh ins, he might well do it without problems. Easier if he first shed the little bit of fat he had left before dehydrating.
We could probably get him to welterweight if we cut his leg off, I am asking what he would be likely to do.
With his discipline he could probably stay at 168 if he wanted to, but not much is happening in that division since the time of Froch and Ward et al, so I think he'd be a LHW today.
Come on now, there is nothing the slightest bit unlikely about sweating out 16-21 lbs before the weigh-in and then rehydrating.
Well if he could make it without hurting himself the fact that nothing is happening there might suit him down to the ground. He could pick up a title in his twelfth fight, make millions before even moving up. It's worth noting that Callum Smith, number one SMW right now, is 6'3 and comes to the ring weighing and is rumoured 185lbs in the ring. This makes him the size of the best fighters Marciano met in his actual career and, again, is indicative of what Marciano/Walcott sized fighters are doing now.
Back then fighters trained down. He was already way down from his natural weight. What you’re saying is men like Tua and Tyson would train down to super middle is a little silly. Some men can do it some cant. Marciano would not be at that weight and be anywhere near what an athlete should perform at. He’d be sickly With no power. More likely scenario is he juices up like the rest of them and fights at cruiser or HW. My guess would be cruiser limit in weight with maybe a fight or two at Hw.
If it's legitimately possible, he would almost certainly do it. Remember Mikey Garcia unable to unmake his fist before a weigh in? Vomiting? Remember I told you about that a few posts ago? That is not uncommon. As a fighter ages the weight-make gets more difficult and they run into Garcia like problems which is the signal to move up, and they do. They perform VERY well under these conditions. You can watch Mikey Garcia fight at 126lbs if you like (remembering he now fights at 147lbs) and see him perform brilliantly after brutalising himself to make the weight. The misery is temporary.