Rocky could dehydrate to super middleweight~

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Give me one source where it says he sweated down before the weigh-in. Not before stepping into the ring. Before the weigh-in.
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It probably wasn't easy for him to get to 185, but he did and was effective there. As long as he can make 185 and be effective, he can sweat out 10 lbs and weigh in at 175 and then rehydrate to 185 and be effective.

    We all know this, so I don't see the point of arguing it.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Yes, I don't condone it as a measurement, i'm using it as an example of the dramatic difference between Rocky's body composition and the body composition of a fighter who has really charged at modern weigh in and the differences.

    I agree that no peak pro athlete (which Rocky certainly was) could lose "a lot" of fat in a traditional sense, but compared to a fighter who's lost the whole bag, yes, he could lose a bit.
     
  4. janitor

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    Getting ripped is easy.

    Getting ripped and still being a functional athlete, is a very different proposition.

    When you look at a body building contest, the men that you see on stage, are practically fainting from dehydration.

    Not every fighter can look like an anatomists chart in the ring.
     
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    Not every fighter chooses to turn their career into a grim battle with weight cutting.
     
  6. Entaowed

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    This seems harsh. Many can know a lot about a man & not know some information like this.
    Also is it not true that he got about as light as possible...For weigh ins before the fight?
    Since he was not making any weight, I do not believe he needed to dehydrate before a fight-doing so would weaken him.
    Thus if he actuallu needed to make weight, he should be able to shed some more weight with day before weigh ins.
     
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  7. Bokaj

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    This is true. Loma and Mikey are good examples of this. They probably have a very similar amount of muscle mass, but Mikey is a bit softer and hence a bit heavier.

    But while not every fight can get down to 4-5% body fat, I've yet to hear of a fighter today of Rocky's weight that couldn't drain 10 lbs of water without doing violence to himself.
     
  8. Entaowed

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    OK, but 2 things-you do not debate that some guys can be leaner than they look, & even more so vice versa, at the same level of ab definition.
    And the dramatic difference you see is almost certainly mostly due to being dehydrated for a wigh in.

    But Rocky could lose a bit of fat if he absolutely needed to, sure.
    Though he could lose ore water, & any significant reduction of what he weighed in the ring would weaken him.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Every modern boxer who weighs in, with very few exceptions, do it.

    So almost every boxing match broadcast on television has fighters who have ripped themselves, recovered themselves, and done boxing.

    It's in no way strange or even that difficult.

    Boxers at weigh ins sometimes do faint from dehydration. And almost do.
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    You are confusing the weigh-in with the fight again.

    Again, the weigh-in and the fight are being falsely conflated. Fighters can look very different weigh-in versus fight night.

    This is the second thing that you aren't gathering or are choosing to ignore.

    The recovery between weigh in and fight is colossal. It is possible for a fighter to gain twenty pounds and more. I believe 18% of weight is the current record. This is the single difference between Marciano's era and this one.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    Almost every single fighter in the world is weakened by the weigh in.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Listen.

    If Rocky Marcaino didn't cut weight pre-fight, he could, in his prime, easily - easily by modern standards - get to within the LHW limit. Unless there's something wrong with him.

    It would, in no way, be "a grim battle" to do this. It would be easy by modern standards.

    Now do you a) think he cut water? or b) dispute the above?

    Second, Marciano could almost certainly lose fat. Not by staging "a grim battle". Just by eating a good deal less than the huge amounts he used to eat in camp. You quite enjoy these threads i seem to remember? All the eggs and the orange juice and the steak? Keep the workouts the same - hard but done all over the world all the time - and swap all the huge steaks for lean meats and steamed vegetables, cut the huge egg breakfasts for high protein low fat shakes and a piece of fruit.

    Now do you a) dispute that Marciano had huge amounts of food while training and b) understand if he takes in less calories he will lose fat? and c) understand that this is normal today for a boxer?

    If so, how can you dispute he would lose weight?


    Now if you take these two basic, easy, simple things that almost all fighters do these days and put them together what do you think you would get as weight for Rocky Marcaino pre-fight? JUST stop eating steaks and huge breakfasts, JUST replace all the orange juice with cold clean water JUST cut water as the fight approaches.

    What's his weight?
     
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  12. catchwtboxing

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    Yes, because I tried to teach him the truth and he answered me back smartly with phrases like "All I need to know..." and "as simple as that..."

    If a guy is going to cling to ignorance he should be told that he is ignorant.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    That is insane. Especially in MMA it's clear that fighters drain crazy amounts. Paulo Costa and Yoel Romero weigh in at 185 but must be close to 220 at fight time. They are just enormous.

    Romero reportedly walks around at a ripped 230 lbs. He fights at 185.
     
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  14. Bokaj

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    Still waiting for a source that says that Rocky drained before the weigh-in. Not the fight fight. The weigh-in.

    If you actually want to teach me anything I suggest you produce at least one.
     
  15. McGrain

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    And in the ring they are looking excellent. These guys look destroyed on the scales and then in the ring, they look elite.

    Have you noticed the fad of predicting who will win the fight based upon who looks more drained is almost gone?

    Fighters just coming back too strong now.
     
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