Rocky Graziano v Julian Jackson

I had Graziano winning the 2nd round against arguably the greatest of all time. And he was wearing Robinson down well in the clinch, he also had Robinson down and shook. Robinson said after that nobody hit him as hard as Graziano. Its one of the greatest 2 sided slugfests either. Every time Graziano hit Robinson, Robinson backed away quick

Yes it was a great performance for a past prime Graziano

 

This is some bat**** crazy revisionism. Anyone with eyes can see Robinson controlled the entire fight easily. When he was down, regardless of what Robinson said, it was from a half slip and punch on the shoulder. He turned around and obliterated Graziano in short order after that. Again, Graziano had exactly one win over a rated middleweight in his career and that middleweight was a past his prime fighter who had spent four years out of the ring due to the war. Go look at his record against middleweight fringe contenders or prime welterweights. He was no killer, he always either lost or struggled and he certainly wasnt scoring knockouts despite people acting like he was this dynamite middleweight puncher. He was the Arturo Gatti of his day, exciting action fighter who feasted on smaller and older fighters but came up FAR short against anyone worth a **** near their prime or his weight.

 

That's objectively false. You are bias and I don't see a point in continuing

This is also false

 

Go to 7:35 of this video, put it on half speed and freeze it on 7:39. The inside of Graziano's ELBOW connects with Ray's SHOULDER and NECK, pulling Ray down. It's as plain as day.

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Watch 1:40. It's Graziano's forearm and it lands on Robinson's head. Graziano just has such freakish power that even a shot from his forearm had concussive effects

It's not a shoulder shot to the shoulder or whatever dumb **** you guys are trying to push

 

Then name me all of these middleweight contenders Graziano beat and/or knocked out to get this reputation as a killer at 160... I’ll be waiting here for your reply.

He has the thinnest middleweight resume of any MW in the HOF. Period.

 

He fought Tony Janiro 3x winning 2 and drawing 1, Janiro was a ranked middleweight. On top of the Zale win that makes 3 wins against ranked Middleweights, and not only that but he beat Bummy Davis and WW champ Servo. Both are indisputably good fighters

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Arturo Gatti of his time so to speak. Rocky would get nailed first by a Jackson bomb KO'ed in 3

 

Hate to break it to you but Janiro was a welterweight as were Davis and Servo. I will ask again, who were all of these MIDDLEWEIGHT contenders he beat?

 

Janiro was a ranked middleweight contender

 

Janiro was not a rated contender at MW until after his draw with Graziano. Meaning he got his rating by fighting Graziano. He was immediately bumped from the MW ratings after his first loss to Graziano. So Janiro's entire credibility as a MW rests on his draw to Graziano. Essentially your argument is that Graziano is a threat at MW because in six fights he managed 1 win against an aging champion who had left his best years in the war and who also knocked him out twice, and two wins over a welterweight he was lucky to get a draw against which briefly got the welterweight a rating and then struggled to a one round swing victory over him (which dumped the welterweight, who himself never beat a middleweight contender, from the ratings) and then another victory over that same welterweight again when he was unranked. So in your mind Graziano was an awsome middleweight because he has two wins against men rated at middleweight in 83 bouts, one of whom only got his rating by drawing with Graziano (thats a circular argument if I ever saw one) and the other was shot. We can agree to disagree. Im comfortable stating Graziano is overrated and doesnt deserve his induction into the HOF and confident Julian Jackson would leave him drooling on the canvas.

 

Again, go back to the video of the Robinson fight that I posted above. Scroll to about 7:36 and put the playback at .25 speed under the youtube settings... and tell me, with a straight face, that that was a scoring punch that put Robinson down. I'm not saying it was a foul. It was a collision. But one that didn't involve the gloves.

I can't buy you people new eyeballs.

 

This whole KD argument is trivial.

Jackson might not have been as good as Robinson, but he was a faster starter and even bigger puncher.

He had much faster hands, and better technique than Graziano and would get to the target first and render Graziano senseless.