Rocky Marchiano vs Alexandr Povetkin

fair enough, i was a quarter way through a small essay when i realised the maths said it just as well, and i'm too tired, and a little drunk, to write it all, basically i was saying the logic of your post was a bit flawed. I do think you are being a little harsh on povetkin, but you aren't saying anything ridiculous, i can't remember his name right now, but the last guy he fought came to win, and wasn't totally hopeless.

 

That was a good fight for that level but Carlos Takam was another 34 year old ten year "prospect" himself. he wasn't anybody really. yet competative Carlos could not miss povetkin and at times hurt him. Who had Takam fought? Ancient Botha, ancient Grant and Thompson? He already had lost to a 10 fight novice (who himself did not amount to anything) so there was not much to draw from to give povetkin THAT much of a fight. Trouble is there are far too many two fights a year heavyweight contenders short of competative fights to draw from after ten years or so as "prospects" yet they can give povetkin tough fights. He wins these fights but what does it mean when the Huck fight showed he struggled with a natural 1950s sized heavyweight?

All povetkin has got is his size over Marciano and it was the size that encumbered him against Marco Huck. Come to think of it a 20lb lighter Povetkin could really give Marciano a scare!!!

Being as fair as I can to Pivetkin I think without the artificial weight that has encumbered the entire heavyweight division the last 20 years he has the makings of a special fighter. The pedigree is there. He has power, heart and can punch in combination but without the competition and weighed down with the extra 20lb or so that the change in diet and training all heavyweights have added to themselves it is not possible to achieve the same edge that post 1980s heavyweights had.

In Rockys day Povetkin could have made it as a great fighter because he would have fought more often and met better fighters. He would have trained like they did and been a lot lighter too.

Today he is a different fighter. As good as he can be by the standard of our times but away from a level he might achieve under another era.

 

Every source I can find says 75". What is your source for this?

Boxers don't just "get tired". They wilt under pressure and pace. Sasha beat a very good, very hot undefeated fighter ratcheting up the pressure and keeping the pace hot into the later rounds. An excellent victory.

 

None of this really convinces me. Pictures can be very deceiving regarding these things. And I don't see a lot of difference here. Sasha could have his shoulders tensed up and Takam relaxed… and still hardly any difference. And also having a 75" reach does not translate into a jab better or worse. Reach is nice if you can enforce it but jabs are about technique and timing. Tyson had a nice jab with a 71" reach. He used it against many guys with longer reaches.

I met Sasha 3 years ago. He was a quite a bit bigger than I expected. He was a legit large heavy and did not seem doughy or truncated. He seemed pretty damn athletic. But that was just a couple minutes at an airport, so who knows.

Every tale of the tape says 75" so I am going to stick with that. His style is not jab based. He works inside angles and punch variety and packs excellent power in his right. He's not what we have come to know as the typical upright Euro heavy.

 

Povetkin is legitimately the best of the rest at the moment, but you still have to question whether he is in the class where it would be easy to favour him over Marciano.

To beat Marciano, you probably had to have a hell of a lot of something, as opposed to a bit of everything.

 

i've seen bernard hopkins reach listes from 71 to 76...boxrec says 75.
muhammad ali from 78 to 80.
foreman from 79 to 82.
so who knows if the stats are accurate.
big ukranian where did you see that carlos takam has 76 reach?boxrec doesn't say anything

 

I was waiting for this...

 

I didn't mean to be derogatory or short.

It's a scary situation. I feel bad for those affected... which if the US keeps meddling will be a lot more people.

 

Huck rocked him badly in their fight, It was not the best Povetkin but he was breathing heavy after 4 rounds. I do not see A.P. taking Marciano's shots and pace and pressure for 10 rds....Marciano by KO 10

 

And a couple sub 200 pounders had Rocky down. And a fat middleweight with a gland problem took everything Rocky could throw flush for 9 rounds.

Shall we pick the best of one fighter's performances and the worst of the others? Is this how we play the game?

I actually think this fight would be a ripper. Sasha likes to open guys up with his combos, working angles around and between the guard. Marciano provides a small target in his crouch which would make this challenging.

I think Marciano's one-punch power is very overrated when considered with modern heavies. But I think he can really rack up the damage through work rate and attrition.