Rocky Marchiano vs Alexandr Povetkin

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Yeah TROLL.

 

This is the whole thing in a nutshell.:good

Writing off ATG against mere contender calibre fighters because of size (some of it artificial weight created by changes in training) is foolish.

Is Billy Conn losing to Brian London?

Is Carlos Monzon losing to David Sears?

 

I like Rocky in this one.
Povetkin might be a bit better than Rex Layne, but not enough to pick him over Marciano.

 

Povetkin is decent though. I think this present heavyweight era isn't really bringing the best out of men like povetkin. Big guys making themselves bigger at the expense of pace and the biggest guys trade on reach advantage.

Why is it that shorter boxers at all other weight classes today can weigh the same as their opponent and over come a height and reach advantage but heavyweights can't? Most people think it is because the giants have got better, more athletic .... but can it be that the regular sized heavyweights under 6'4" can't keep up under artificial weight?

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Wlad hits FAR harder than Marciano.

 

Povetkin for has better skills, was never stopped as a amateur, and was only floored by Wlad ( Who hits at least as hard as Rocky, but much better range ).

Far harder? I would say Wlad hits harder than Rocky, but not by a huge amount. Rocky's Ko's on film show he can hit a ton. My point was Povetkin has a good chin tested by Wlad, and knocked down by no other man.

Rocky throws more haymakers. Wlad doesn't go for a KO, he sets it up or waits for the right moment, and seldom is countered by a miss.

 

Footage shows Wlad sparking people.

Bigger opponents than Marciano knocked out.

And Wlad himself is far bigger and has functional muscle, he's not just a big lump.

It's clear that Wlad is a harder puncher than Marciano.

 

There have been plenty of fast handed, sharp combo punchers at the top in the past 3 decades. The Joe Louis model, while he was the exemplary example, still exists today.

Where is the slow-footed, slow-handed, truncated 185 pound powerpuncher model been present at the top ranks of the heavy division over that last 3 decades?

 

Marciano was a rare creature and even Joe Frazier is not a fair comparison style-wise, powerful legs and height they match but different defense and offensive attack.

The question could also be who like him existed in the 5 decades before him? Its rare to have that type of stamina,powerful legs,2-fisted power,solid chin,great recovery,will to win and awkwardness rolled into one.

John L. Sullivan could be a comparison but that was before the gloves and Marciano did not draw the color line.

We have had a lot of Ali copies but no one could do it like him and there has not been anyone close to Louis. Tyson copied Dempsey to a degree but still different fighters, different days

 

A 185 pounder has not been allowed to step into the ring at heavyweight over the past three decades, so it should come as little surprise that none have dominated the division.

Even so there are light heavyweights, and even super middleweights penetrating the rankings. The people are not being born bigger, they are just bulking up. I think that a latter day Marciano would have to be looked for in that context.

As Bummy says, all the dominant champions have been one offs, and a Marciano/Frazier or Dempsey/Tyson comparison is the closest you tend to get.

 

Haven't been allowed to or knew better to not put on the quick weight make a go at it against giants? Some played played a game of capture the flag like Spinks or Jones, Jr. finding the right opponent to grab a belt, but that was it.

Penetrating the rankings or ruling the division? Which of these light heavies/supermiddles was a plodding power puncher who stood 5-10 with a 67" reach and pursued every fight as a search and destroy mission? Where on Marciano's narrow-shouldered, short-limbed frame would he add pounds and not look like a bowling ball? How would his output and flexibility, both of which he relied on immensely, be effected by this additional poundage?

No, they have not been one-offs. They have followed a few dominant molds.. There is simply no other heavy since Louis as slow, short, truncated and who pursued a power punching attack strategy who dented the division since... Seriously, the best example really would be Oscar Bonavena...

 

Tom Sharkey just s****es in.

 

Tom Sharkey was a notable contender, but he was never a champion, let alone a dominant one.

The only pure swarmers who ever held the lineal heavyweight title, were Marvin Hart, Rocky Marciano, and Joe Frazier.

The only one to dominate an era was Marciano.

In that respect he has no like before or since!

 

Or, in that respect, his era was unlike any before or since.

As far as a heavyweight, I would argue the Champion Marciano was more a product of his era than the product of potential and hard work... And I will repeat the context of that statement... as a heavyweight champion.

 

chubby boy goes down early, probs round 2