Rocky Marciano (1951-52) Vs Larry Holmes (1980-82) 15 Rounds

tommy get real... louis was better fighter but syles make fights, vitali had better chin, he is much bigger, he had skill(he was no carnera), he had speed for his size, his is a hard puncher, he is much stronger than louis. louis was too static, it think that a prime ali had better style to defeat vitali. i am not saying that he would win 100%, but that he might beat louis, it is a fact...

 

well Louis has faster hands, beat better fighters, better power, better combinations, better recuperative ability, etc. Louis is too good for vitali. Vitali just isn't proven against elite opposition like Louis. There's absolutely nothing on his resume that says he might beat the great Joe Louis.

 

Whoa, thats naughty,you caught me off guard! This requires more thought and a thread of its own.

However I can't back down from a challenge so here goes. Bear in mind that this is off top of my head and I did say MOST not all...

Louis - Holmes, Holyfield, Lewis.

Charles - M. Spinks, Roy Jones

Robinson 160 - Monzon, Hagler, er ... B Hop

Robbinson - Hearns, Leonard

Williams - Chavez, Duran (what? he was ahead of his time!)

Armstrong - Barrera, Morales, Pacquiao

Jofre - Barrera, Morales, Pacquiao

Lynch - er...Khaosai Galaxy?

Hmm. This was tough, lesson learned re speaking before thinking... anyway, thats the best I can think of, I'm sure they'd all be great fights.

As for Rocky v Larry I still say Larry was just too good...

 

ali would beat them all. louis was too slow on his feet. i'd make fighters quicker on their feet more chance of beating ali than louis. no way ali would fall like conn who was a light weight compared to him - liston, frazier, foreman, shavers against an ancient ali couldn't stop him so no other will do it against a peak version - you must be dreaming. frazier who was quick on his feet got a comeback ali against the ropes in the later rounds but so did bonavena in the fight prior - trying to get the ali who fought cleveland williams and terrell on the ropes and keeping him there who was peak is a different story all together - chuvalo was no real danger so don't bring that up or we can ask how many rounds he won outta 15 - 1, 2 the most. ali was showing his ego in that fight - holding chuvalo and letting him hitting 10 times with no reply and saying hit harder. that's the kind of ego stuff he used against foreman "is that all you got george" - he was playing and wanted to show the tough side of himself that many so-called experts said he wasn't - he proved he was tough and made them eat their words (no fighter including louis will ko ali for the count of 10 unless it's the parkinson disease ali that holmes fought LOL - FOTC round 15 perfect left hook from frazier's best shot ever on the button and ali gets straight up at the count of 2 - not many could do that especially the tired beat bashed up state he was in - tyson and others would never get up - that's the difference between good and being the greatest.

 

So 1980's Ali beats prime Louis and Marciano?

 

Re: My Last Post.

Oh Dear. Just re read your post. I feel so silly...

Sorry, sugarsean, I thouht you meant from the 80s until now...Doh!

There arn't many from 2000 till now who can beat your list, except maybe those mentioned on my list.

I'm tired and if I can't read the questions properly, my answers are sure to be lazy... Time to knock off.

 

vitali klitschko would absolutely destroy every rival of louis.... simple. marciano included. better power? haahhahaha vitali klitschko is harder puncher than louis with a single hand for sure, louis got better combinations. vitali has better chin and he is more durable than louis by a mile. the lennox lewis who fought vitali would beat any rival of louis.and he was winning on the cards, simply he was easy to cut. and louis did not fight in the golden era exactly. baer was an archaic fighter, who would beat to vitali? braddock? walcott? charles? budy? conn? carnera? godoy? galento?schmeling? please.... the resume prove nothing, he did beat the best rivals of his era, simple. tyson,holmes,liston they never did beat a prime legend..(patterson was not even a hw) and still they were great fighters. and in my opinion prime foreman,prime liston,prime frazier and prime tyson would ko louis. and louis had "better career". ali had better career than norton my a mile and really ali(70s) never did beat norton. styles make fights.

 

son.. you must be joking...
archie moore said that marciano was by far harder puncher than louis with a single shot. the power of louis were his great combinations. vitali klitschko weighed 245 pounds of pure muscle and he had hand speed for his size, he faced much bigger guys than louis did and still his %ko is much higher, the best louis weighed 198pounds. noway louis was harder puncher with a single shot. simply they never faced the same rivals(obviously) to prove it.

 

like i said... vitali would absolutely destroy every rival of louis. if you can´t accept the truth, is not my problem but it is the truth. just the poor nostalgic guys think that vitali would have no chance against louis or marciano.

 

joe louis was the better puncher, more accurate, but better is not harder.
vitali had a heavier hand, he is much bigger and stronger. joe louis faced a very small or light guys except buddy or carnera(2 heavy bags), galento ( a ****ing fat), or max baer who was 6´3 and 210 pounds

 

yes true, like louis faced the average fighters of his time, but still the average fighters who faced vitali were much bigger than the rivals of louis (except carnera who was a joke)sam petter or arreola would beat tony galento,simon,or past prime bradock hands down.even the lewis who fought vitali would beat any rival of louis.
if you are bigger you can take better a shot

 

no Sam Peter or Arreola certainly wouldn't beat galento...