Rocky Marciano '53 vs. Ron Lyle '75

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Who wins?

  1. Marciano by KO

    31 vote(s)
    56.4%
  2. Lyle by KO

    21 vote(s)
    38.2%
  3. Marciano by UD

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  4. Lyle by UD

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I too would like to see this "so much evidence" because It's simply not true *shock horror*

    Two out of 3 judges scored of for him and one was pretty wide.
    The AP scored it for Lyle 55-54.
    Las Vegas SUN called it a draw.

    Joe Bugner himself - He was a very strong opponent and although I lost a close decision the bottom line is close isn’t good enough.

    Also in the descriptions of the fight -

    But after Bugner began bleeding in the 10th, Lyle seemed to come alive. ‘ Using fierce rights to the body and left uppercuts to the head along the ropes, Lyle tired his opponent, and Bugner began holding. In the 11th, the right hurt Bugner and again he tried to tie Lyle up on the ropes.

    Perhaps these "fierce rights to the body" did indeed do some serious damage.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I already have produced evidence of Bugner getting the decision on one of the scorecards against Lyle, you might want to flip back a few pages. Treat yourself.:thumbsup:
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It was not the convincing victory Bugner needed, but it was hardly a convincing win for Lyle either.

    “In a televised twelve rounder between two top ten contenders, veteran Ron Lyle battled British and European Heavyweight Champion Joe Bugner in a boring, drawish fight. It was a highly defensive matchup. Lyle and Bugner fought cautiously, with Lyle perhaps being abit more aggressive. No heads turned in the division in a twelve round split decision which could virtually have gone either way, and did not affect the heavyweight rankings in any way.”

    “Bugner was able to score easily in the first nine rounds with his flicking • left jab, but apparently did little damage. Although Lyle appeared tired in the sixth, seventh and eighth rounds, Bugner was unable to knock him down.
    In the fifth, Lyle was momentarily stunned at the bell when Bugner got in two quick rights. For a moment after the bell rang. Lyle appeared unaware of where his corner was.”

    Bugner lost more clearly to Jack Bodel.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Here's the rest in order as i posted some of above that completes the article -

    But after Bugner began bleeding in the 10th, Lyle seemed to come alive. ‘ Using fierce rights to the body and left uppercuts to the head along the ropes, Lyle tired his opponent, and Bugner began holding. In the 11th, the right hurt Bugner and again he tried to tie Lyle up on the ropes.

    It was a disappointing turn of events for Bugner, who had hoped a convincing victory would gain him a title match with Muhammad AIL Bugner, eight years younger than the 35‐year oId Lyle, outweighed his opponent, 229 pounds to 218.
     
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes even in This report, Lyle came back into the fight in the last 3 rounds after Bugner boxed his ears off in the first 9 rounds.

    It wasn’t this way when Bugner lost to Bodel more decisively.
     
  6. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats not what happened. You were not accepting Bugner's claims and kept arguing with me and John Thomas even though we provided like 4 different sources. You questioned how much pain Bugner was really in and even suggested Frazier "must" have been a more gruelling fight because he was a higher calibre of fighter. You've been questioning Bugner's testimony for 3 days and several pages and now you're back peddling and acting as if you were totally fine with it and that we just imagined you disagreeing.

    This is called "gas lighting". You're a psychopath.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bugner did not box his ears off in the first 9 rounds you ****ing rabbit :lol:

    Your efforts to play with words are starting to rival that dickhead Mendoza's.
     
  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Does he think we're incapable of simply watching the goddamn fight and judging for ourselves? It's been free on YouTube for more than a decade.

    Did you notice a pattern? He said:

    -lyle vs Peralta ended in a draw, it was a fair verdict and we have to "go with what the officials say" even though many people felt Lyle got robbed.

    -now that we get testimony from Bugner that Lyle was his most painful fight, straight from the horse's mouth, he is disputing the official verdict and claiming Bugner arguably got robbed. He wants to now question the judges and minimize Lyle's win to question the legitimacy of Bugner's claims.

    Classic hypocritical goal post shifting.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes caught out yet again...and again....and again...

    A small small part of me wonders if he's there sitting back pissing himself laughing when he actually works someone up good :lol:
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah I already saw. Your self-proclaimed "so much evidence" consisted of ONE judge having Bugner the winner as opposed to the other two... Using this logic every fighter on the wrong end of a split decision, was robbed. Which brings me to my next point...

    Cleveland Williams in his SD loss against Terrell received the verdict from the referee AND the AP. In his draw against Machen, one judge had him clearly ahead, and the other 2 did not have him losing. So do we take these results and turn them into wins making him 3-0 over Terrell and Machen (which undoubtedly puts his record in a different light) as per your logic? Or are the rules different in this scenario, because it's in conflict with your agenda? Let me know which road we're taking.
     
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  11. choklab

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    no. I questioned if it really was the most Brutal and most gruelling fight of Bugners career because he clearly had more gruelling and brutal fights. That still stands. Joe Frazier nearly knocked his block off.

    I don’t believe I mentioned the pain. I believe he was injured. It was the most brutal and most gruelling part I disagreed with.

    I had to google the term “gass lighting” as it is not a term that is used in my part of the world.

    Apparently it’s a form emotional abuse against sensitive vulnerable people? Is that right?

    Maybe I should do some more research because I am a little confused as to how anything I have said could be seen as emotional abuse. And a little concerned that I might have inadvertently upset you emotionally in disagreeing with you on a boxing forum. It certainly was not my intention and I apologise for any misunderstanding.

    I am familiar with what a psychopath is however, and again I do not believe it applies here either. It was not the response intended.
     
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  12. moneytheman12

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    easy win for ron hit to hard jack wasnt a real hw
     
  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jack?

    Jesus your posts are getting worse and worse. I didn't even think that was possible.
     
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  14. Tonto62

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    Wonder why this wasn't included in the previous post?
     
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  15. Tonto62

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    So a 36 years old,nearly 11 years older Lyle won a close decision against Joe Bugner,and this proves what?
     
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