Rocky Marciano Film Study

I don’t think the comparison with Liston is so far off. “Shop-worn” in a Liston and Louis sense is not the same as other guys being shopworn.

Until he fought Rocky Louis had taken just two beatings in his entire career. 66-2. He had a lot of his career his own way. Sure he was fighting often and looked old but his results were still good. Good enough to be favourite over Rocky and number one contender.

Same with Liston. He may have been even older than Joe Louis. Most of his career was not even competitive. Liston didn’t fight so many rated fighters as Louis had.

In fact, I don’t think Martin necessarily goes unbeaten against Joe Louis’s comeback opponents between Charles and Rocky.

 

Valdes definitely should have gotten the title shot over cockell. No excuses.

 

Who exactly are the world champions that were worse than a 51' Louis?
Perhaps Carnera, McCall Bonecrusher Charles Martin? hardly a murders row! But I take your point.

 

Agreed

 

Stop. Just stop. Louis only threw about 12 right hands combined in the charles and Marciano fights...he still had power in it, but he didn’t have the reflexes to throw it anymore. Louis looked good, powerful in the Savold fight, but then he looked dreadful against Bivins in his next fight where he hardly even threw his right hand.

 

I'm implying nothing and not implying you are implying ,What are you trying to imply by implication???

 

"My right hand don't leave me no more ." Joe Louis

 

Savold was as ring worn as Louis.

 

Yeah I have no doubt he still had power in it (when it landed it did damage)...but he hardly threw it anymore. He wasn’t active enough with it anymore to even be effective. Had he been more active with it, I’m sure he would have had more knockouts in the 50s

 

Didn't you insinuate Frazier was no good anymore after his "hospitilization and health scare post Ali"? Let me guess, it mostly came out post fight even tho Foreman proved against Norton he was the real deal.

Frazier was still cleaning out a division. Until Foreman anyway.

There's that good old career lie again.

 

Leon Spinks, Micheal Moorer, Shannon Briggs, Old Foreman, Old Ali, Jimmy Braddock, jess Willard, the Buster Douglas that Holyfield beat would all be good for a start wouldn’t they?

 

Louis KOd Savold with his left hook. The right to the body has nothing to do with it.

 

Have you seen the film of this fight? Bivins was still a good fighter.

 

Forget Joe's right hand, his legs were totally shot. Never the most dynamic mover, he was positively glacial in this final ill fated comeback.

 

No there is in film...just fight reports

Bivins was far past his prime in 1951.