Rocky Marciano has a very good case for #1...

No, but you're insane if you don't agree with me

 

So all the fights Lastarza didn't have,Bob Baker,Bob Satterfiled,DannyNardico,Bill Gilliam,Coley Wallace,Clarence Henry,Nino Valdes,were because they were afraid to fight him? 50's Ring magazines have editorials by Fleischer ,blasting Lastarza and his manager for not meeting dangerous opponents .FIrst of all you say Ali was in his prime when he fought Banks in his 10th fight ,now he was "not ripe" which is it?You change direction so many times to avoid addressing the truth you will be dissapearing up your own orifice soon!

 

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Man there is some really poor logic being throw here ... this post should be put to sleep ... it reads like high school ...

 

Ali was 20 years old in his 10 th pro fight.Heavyweights mature late,Ali weighed 194 1/2 for Banks.I dont think we saw ||Ali's prime ,it was during the 3 1/2 years in exile,but His best preformance ,imo,was his demolition of Williams ,Ali had 15 more fights under his belt ,including 6 title defences ,and was at 212 3/4carrying 18 1/4 pounds more of solid muscle.Prime Ripe ,whatever way you slice it Ali was NOT Prime for Banks,so your original statement was wrong.NO ONE IS SPLIT WHEN IT COMES TO CALLING THE 20 YEAR OLD 194 1/2 lbs ALI PRIME .Find anyone else who agrees with you.

 

A reasonable post.

 

Why should this post be put to sleep? Its about the greatest heavyweight ever. Obviously I'm just having fun on this thread too. If you wanna seriously argue about Rocky not being the best....then I sure wanna hear your "logic" and see who YOU think is #1. Ali? Louis? :rofl

 

This discussion is just getting more and more stupid. So I think I'll bow out here.

Before I go though: I think you have genuine case about many underrating Marciano, but you're ridicolous way of making him into a superhuman and trying to denigrate other great fighters to lift him up, just makes it kind of sad, though.

 

In all fairness, If Marciano had returned to the ring around 1959 at the age of 37, to fight either Patterson or Liston, and lost, would you use these defeats as a beacon when comparing him to other great fighters?

 

ofcourse he would cuz his comparisons have no logic or make any sense. comparing a fighter who retired at the top and only at 32 against fighters who make comebacks and fight another career is ridiculous and means nada. they say one of rockys best wins is against an old past it louis who they think was in his prime. that says it all for me.

 

Fair enough point about the old age defeats--but Louis lost to Schmeling when an experienced 22. Ali lost to Frazier at 29, the age at which Marciano won the championship, and to Norton at 31, the age at which Marciano ko'd Charles. Those defeats are harder to slough off.

 

yeah after a comeback. when did rocky ever make a comeback? your doing it yet again. who cares if he was 29. he had been out of the sport since he was 25 years old and he was fighting a man at his peak who was unbeaten - he was not fighting a washed up louis or a 37 year old walcott or a lhw 38 year old moore who was 188 pounds.

 

Agreed. There really can't be any excuses made for Louis losing to Schmeling. He had a rather extensive amateur career along with a competant managment team-two things that were rare advantages in those days. Additionally, He was 27-0 and coming off of wins over at least two former champions that I can think of. Meanwhile, Schmeling had spent most of his career at lightheavyweight and was off for a full year prior to facing Louis. As for Ali's earlier losses to Frazier, well I'll agree that his actual age can't be used as an excuse to make any concessions, however I think its possible that the four year leave of abscence may have diminished some of his abilities a tad, but this is just speculation on my part..

 

And did Ali ever start a career at 24?

By the way, does the layoff excuse also count for the Norton fight?

 

norton won fair and square. broken jaw didn't help or undertraining. but i think ali that fought Terrell would win a UD quite easy say 9 rounds to 6. in the rematch ali won the first 6 rounds by dancing. his legs were much better in 73 than they were in 71 when he fought frazier. but 66/7 ali legs were the best.