Rocky Marciano has a very good case for #1...

Greb was a 168lb Super Middleweight, he does not figure in Tunney's rank at heavyweight. Dempsey was past prime. What prime elite heavyweight did Tunney beat? How many Heavyweight contenders did Tuney beat? Why did Tunney duck Sharkey and Godfrey?

Tunney isn't on Ali's level

 

This guy groove is the same turkey from youtube who posts on all the marciano videos talking **** about how patterson was better than marciano and destroyed moore. bla bla bla. bonehead.

 

Ya this is also the teenage inexperienced patterson who barely eeked out a split decision over B level SWARMER hurricane jackson, hows he going to dealk with a great experienced swarmer liek the rock? patterson got flattened by johannson and liston, his style played right into rocks hands. I like rock by KO. btw marcianos camp challenged floyd in early 1956, pattersons camp turned them down damato said patterson was a year away from being ready for marciano

ps groove wont mention this, but patterson got to fight moore AFTER he already took a horrible beating from marcianos. its safe to say given marcianos track record of ruining fighters.....moore was not the same.

 

yes but take into account marciano had unbelievable strength, and great clinching skills and it would be hard for the big men to push him around. Even on film against 215lb Joe Louis on film(outweighed by 30lb), you can see him manhandling pushing back louis all night long, and NO ONE(outside of max baer) was ever able to push around joe louis.

Also take into consideration in modern world marciano would look like a tua/tyson and enter the ring at a solid 210lb.

 

If Toney and Holyfield can handle big heavies, then so can Marciano, and I think Marciano brings similar skills to the Toney who models some of his moves on Marciano (as much as any 50s fighter for me). But with greater stamina, power and strength.

IF Marciano comes in at a ripped 210, he'll be stronger, more powerful and actually a bit quicker due to explosive weight training. It will slow his output down a bit though in a similar way as Holyfield did when moving from 190-210

 

Not if he has a good sports scientist help him add the weight. If he only explosive training focusing on developing white twitch muscle fibre is used and hypertrophy/bodybuilding training is avoided he will become more explosive. 99.9% of boxers don't know what they're doing in adding weight, but you can become quicker.

 

your wrong just accept it :good

 

That's probably due to him training on Cake and Doughnuts.

 

Carmine Vingo weighed 189 when he fought Marciano not 220 Marciano was 1801/ only 8 3/4 lbs disparity there ,Vingo was not a huge heavyweight he was tall 6 4 but around 190 for most of his fights .Mathews was 179 when he fought Marciano ,only 5 lbs above LH,The heaviest man Marciano defended againsr was Cockell at 205 ,20 lbs of which was around his middle.If there is one thing Marciano was NEVER proved against it was Big Heavyweights of class ie 220lbs in their prime.Your post is hero worship but has more holes than a swiss cheese.

 

Are you for real? The names you bring forward are relevant when comparing Ali and Tunney on a p4p basis, not when when comparing them as HW's.

Tunney's resume at HW consists more or less of convinicingly beating an aging Dempsey, who had been inactive for more than 3 years, twice. Ali's consists of beating Liston twice, beating Frazier twice (while past his prime), beating a peak Foreman while past his prime, as well as beating Patterson twice, Quarry twice, Chuvalo twice, Ellis, Folley, Bonavena, Terrell, Lyle etc, etc.

He also beat Foster, the oustanding LHW of the era. But you probably won't rate him anyway since he didn't beat Monzon... :yep

If you want to rate Tunney higher p4p you might have a case, but saying that his accomplishments at HW in any way can compare to Ali's is just making a fool out of yourself.