Rocky Marciano has a very good case for #1...

:nut Jack Sharkey was inconsistent throughout his career but he fought the best of his days and beat quite a few of them. Sharkey was far away from beeing a joke.

 

**** you. i dunno what you're going on about. i only talk about boxing on this forum. i've never left comments on utube. name me a great heavy rocky beat that weighed the same or a devastating heavy puncher as a Liston or a Foreman?

 

Vingo scaled his heaviest at 195 in 1949 ,when he met Ernie Conyer ,Conyer had a record of Won 5 lost 4,most of Vingo's opponents had losing records,in fact Vingo NEVER beat a rated Heavyweight.My source? BOx Rec .com .You should check it out before making anymore absurd statements.Ps I own the Marciano v Vingo fight.

 

Ok fair play, you're on a wind up, have fun :good

 

Yes, they had. Records up to age 32 (Mauriello fight for Louis, Foreman fight for Ali)

Top three (champion, #1 or #2 contenders at heavy or lightheavy at some point in career)

Ali fought 11 such men. He went 14-2 with 10 ko's, losing to Frazier and Norton.

Louis fought 14 such men. He went 17-1 with 14 ko's.

Marciano fought 9 such men. He went 11-0 with 10 ko's.

Top five (champion, #1, #2, #3, or #4 contenders at heavy or lightheavy at some point in career)

Ali fought 17 such men. He went 22-2 with 16 ko's.

Louis fought 22 such men. He went 25-1 with 22 ko's.

Marciano fought 10 such men. He went 13-0 with 11 ko's.

Comment--Louis fought a ton more rated fighters, but a strong case can be made that Marciano's top five opponents would be better than Joe's.
Also, while Marciano may not stack up well against against Louis or Ali, who stand out a great deal on this competition measurement, he holds his own with other ATG's. Foreman for example, was 7-4 with 6 ko's against top three contenders and 9-4 with 8 ko's against top five fighters over a much longer career.

 

I tend to think Marciano is underrated and that the fact that he never lost is glossed over on occasion. I do think it's a tough case to put him at number 1. Top 5 definitely though.

 

Vingo definately weighed far less than 200. There is no question Marciano , other than the old Joe Louis who was 216 or so, never fought a large heavyweight. I don't know why people can't simply accept him as a great fighter and pass on the super human stuff. It's really over the top ...

 

................I just read that he weighed 189.

 

100% of Ali's pro career was at HW. Was even 10% of Tunney's at HW?

What he accomplished at other division makes him greater p4p, not a greater HW.

There is 8 lbs between SMW and LHW. Ali was usually 35-45 lbs over the LHW limit. If you like Tunney's chances against Ali in a h2h scenario, fine, but claiming he's a greater HW based on what he achieved against MWs and LHWs is ridicolous.

I don't think anyone would have Calzaghe as a greater LHW than for example Charles, Spinks or Moore, even if he had achieved a lot more at SMW. A weight class just 8 lbs below theirs.

And by the standard you use Charles must be the greatest HW ever. He has an extremely good LHW record and a solid one at HW as well.

 

Ive watched studied and read newspaper clips on the 1950s version of Joe Louis, and although far past his prime I would still pick the 1950s version of joe Louis to beat any of the big heavyweights dempsey ever fought. Louis would easily jab firpo to death, he would tee off on morris, old rusted willard would be like louis practicing on the heavy bag, and fulton would be louis toughest test but even then I expect the more skilled better jabber louis to beat fulton and possibly knock him out if he connects on fultons weak chin.

42-11 6'2 230lb Big Bill Wilson......Marciano knocked him out in 1

Respected Fringe Contender 6'5 220lb Johnny Skhor(i have various articles, he is really 6'5, incorrectly listed as 6'2.)......Marciano gave him a one sided beating ended his career. a guy like skhor was just as good as say a carl morris.

Your right Vingo weighed in the 190s, but he was 6'4 young and had a terrific punch, a very highly rated prospect.

 

2 points mcgrain


1. If patterson struggles so much with a B level strong swarmer like hurricane jackson in split decision, how in the world is floyd ever going to be competitive with marciano in 56?

2. Patterson fought moore AFTER marciano already gave moore a horrible beatings. watch the film, moores upperbody movement is non existent in the patterson fight compared to the marciano fight, and watch how flatfooted moore is vs patterson compare to the mobile moore of the marciano fight.

 

He proved himself against world class 215lb Heavyweight Joe Louis. Ill pick that version of louis over the unskilled big blubbery 220lbers dempsey beat.

 

Lewis would be a very hard fight for rock, but once again i think it takes the very best superheavyweights in history to beat him, even the good ones wont be able to beat him.

better my friend! ur looking at a prime tua/tyson physique!!!

 

Louis weighed 213 3/4 for Marciano 13 3/4 lbs over his best weight ,and he was 36 years old,HE WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME.

 

Yes, but even at 36 years old and past his prime, louis was still better than firpo, fulton, willard, morris.

Louis filled out naturally with age, its not like he put on 13lb of fat, he was a rock solid 214lb.