Rocky Marciano has a very good case for #1...

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  1. mcvey

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    MARCIANO DID NOT KO WILSON .The fight was stopped in the 1st round because Wilson sustained a badly cut left eye.NO KO AND NO KNOCKDOWNS.
    Prior to this fight Wilson had been stopped 4 times,lost two of his last 4, one to Danny Nardico who at 177 was really a LH.SHKOR a fringe contender? I don't think so,his record was w 29 l 18 and he had been kod 3 times,in fact he had been banged out by Walcott in the 1 st round ,in his last fight,Shkor,like Wilson NEVER BEAT A CONTENDER,and he is listed as 6' 2''.Neither of these men qualify as MEN OF CLASS. AND LOUIS WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME SO MY STATEMENT IS CORRECT.
     
  2. mcvey

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    I have a picture of Louis in his prime skipping rope ,it hangs in my Hall alongside it is picture of him during the Marciano fight ,the difference in body tone and stomach muscles is VERY CLEAR.Louis was still a formidable opponent ,but his reflexes were shot ,he hardly threw his right hand ,relying on his jab and left hooks ,he was clearly past his best,any one who thinks other wise is a fool.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

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    THIS STATEMENT IS INCORRECT! In a big upset, Johnny Skhor upset top rated contender tami mauriello in 1947. Johnny skhor in 1950 also beat black contender left hooker rusty payne, who managed to break the monthly ring magazine top 10 heavyweight ratings at the time.

    Thats 2 contender skhor beat!



    Incorrect, I have 2 newspaper articles both of which list skhor as being 6'4 and 6'5!!!!!! I will dig them up and post em here






    extremley crude Firpo, old shot willard, and the clown they call a fighter carl morris certainly dont qualify as class!!!!
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    yes but fact remains he didnt get that cut from bending over to tie his shoelaces, he got cut by one vicious marciano left hook which left hoom a bleeding hulk staggering around the ring!
     
  5. he grant

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    Not just that he weighted 189 but guess what guys .... he staggered Marciano twice during the bout ... that's right, staggered him .... twice ...
     
  6. Mendoza

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    I think Mcvey is getting better.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

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    how mendoza? have I not already proven 2 facts of his statement to be incorrect? skhor was 6'5, not incorrectly 6'2. also skhor beat two ring magazine contenders mauriello and payne, something mcvey said he did not do!
     
  8. SuzieQ49

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    Fitchburg Sentinel Described Shkor on Feb. 11 1942 as "six foot four 215lber"




    Post-Standard - October 25, 1951, Syracuse, New York described Shkor as "6'4 220lber"


    The Lima News - March 14, 1950 described Shkor as "King Sized"






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  9. SuzieQ49

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    Johnny Shkor "the fighting Sailor" 6'4 225lb.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

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    Here are the ring magazine ratings when Shkor beat payne


    Ring Magazine Ratings 1949

    1. Jersey Joe Walcott
    2. Ezzard Charles
    3. Lee Savold
    4. Johnny Flynn
    5. Joey Maxim
    6. Jimmy Bivins
    7. Joe Kahut
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    9. Pat Valentino
    10. Freddie Beshore




    Johnny Shkor upset Top Contender Tami Mauriello in 1947, Mauriello was 15-1 in his last 16 fights going into the shkor fight.

    1947 Ring Magazine heavyweight ratings the same year skhor beat Mauriello


    Joe Louis, Champion

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    2. Elmer Ray
    3. Jersey Joe Walcott
    4. Bruce Woodcock
    5. Lee Q Murray
    6. Curtis Sheppard
    7. Melio Bettina
    8. Joe Baksi
    9. Joe Kahut
    10. Joey Maxim


    * outside of losing to ATG joe louis, mauriello had done nothing to lose that top 10 spot. shkor took it from him!
     
  11. mcvey

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    Source for Shkor's height being 6 5 please Suzie.Mauriello was rated in1946 but he met Shkor in 1947.Payne was briefly rated no 8 in 1948 ,but he met Shkor in 1949. Payne who ended up with a record of w43 l 23 had lost 2 of his last 3 fights when he went in with Shkor ,and would lose his next 2 to Al Spalding whose record was w 15 l 17 and w 16 l 17 ,not contender material.You seem to add and subtract height from Boxers to suit your argument Suzie ,your last post has Shkor at 6 4 ,before that he was ,according to you 6 5 ,for the record he is listed as 6 2,You do this with JOE LOUIS ,WHO WAS ,ACCORDING TO HIM 6' 1 1/2''.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Shkor took the top spot from Mauriello?When was Shkor ever rated?
     
  13. SuzieQ49

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    Fitchburg Sentinel Described Shkor on Feb. 11 1942 as "six foot four 215lber"




    Post-Standard - October 25, 1951, Syracuse, New York described Shkor as "6'4 220lber"


    The Lima News - March 14, 1950 described Shkor as "King Sized"






    Charleston Gazette - October 25, 1951

    "I fought Johnny Shkor and he was 6-foot 4 and about 220 pounds. That won't bother me....."- A small Piece spoken by ROCKY MARCIANO in a interview talking about fighting the much bigger Joe Louis tomorrow.





    Mcvey i just emailed boxrec, and with these articles they are switching shkors height to 6'4. will you now admit skhor WAS NOT 6'2?
     
  14. SuzieQ49

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    Yes shkor was the ONLY man to beat top rated Mauriello outside of Champion joe louis in a title defense. Shkor APPEARED in the monthly ratings top 10 at least a couple times during the late 1940s.


    Shkor style was described as a "very big and strong rough and tough fighter from boston who loved to maul his opponents."
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Like I said, McVey is getting better.