Rocky Marciano has a very good case for #1...

"Walcott knocked out Baltimore's Johnny Shkor in the first round tonight at the arena. ... Walcott came out at the bell, danced around his six foot, four inch opponent ..." Portland Press Herald (Newspaper) - March 14, 1950, Portland, Maine

 

getting better or getting schooled?

let me ponder 2 question for mendoza


1. Is there not enough sources to verify that shkor indeed at least 6'4?

2. Mcvey said shkor was 6'2, would that not make him incorrect?


3. Now go back to the joe frazier thread, where the MF gave you a schooling.

 

Mendoza and mcvey,

will you both conceed to the point that Johnny Skhor was NOT 6'2 and admit I got the better of that arguement?

 

Neither of you were correct on the numbers on Shkor. I made no comment on Shkor, so how could I be mistaken?

However, McVey analysis on records, and going behind the circumstances and numbers is getting better. McVey is also spot on when he says you often make guys you like bigger. Those were my points.

Marciano_Frazier has his points on Frazier, and so do I. The difference is I will concede some of his points, and agree with them, where he less likely to do the same for my points in the Frazier thread. I like Marciano_Frazier because I can learn a thing or two from his posts whether I agree or disagree with him, and I betcha he'd say the same of me.

 

Question. Are you attempting to claim my 5 sources each and everyone of them listing skhor as 6'4 is incorrect?

Good for Him, I dont see the revelance. The point was to determine shkors height, in which I thought I clearly demonstrated shkor was INDEED taller than 6'2

w/e man. In a few years ill be protecting guys like you going on the most dangerous missions in the world if i get through BUD/S training and get on seal team, so I am not going to talk smack about you anymore.

 

Shkor defeated four fighters who at one time or another were rated in the Ring yearly top ten ratings. Mauriello and Payne, whom you have mentioned, and also Johnny Flynn, who was the #4 contender in 1948
and Big Boy Brown, who was the #6 contender in 1942 and I believe was recognized by some state boxing commissions as the interim champion. I think you are correct that Shkor was briefly rated in the late 1940's.

Tami Mauriello was highly rated when he fought Shkor. Off the New York Times, there is an implication he was viewed as a/the top contender.

Shkor, in my judgement, could best be described as a fringe contender. I think a good more recent comp is Chuck Wepner. Shkor was erratic and lost a lot, but pulled off wins over Mauriello, Flynn, Payne, Brown, Joe Matisi, and Marty Clark. Wepner has a slightly better won-lost record, but Shkor has a slightly more impressive resume. It comes out close.

It is true Shklor lost to Walcott before fighting Marciano. It is also true he defeated Payne, ranked the #8 heavyweight in 1948, in the fight immediately before the Walcott fight.

By the way, Big Bill Wilson had victories over Gunnar Barlund, Buddy Scott, and Eddie Mader, all of whom were ranked at one time in the Ring's yearly top tens.

 

Not when they fought Shkor.

 

"I eat breakfast every day" ,how does the rest go?,No offence Suzie,but you did remind me of Jack Nicholson then.

 

If they revise his Height I will cheerfully do so ,Stay Well.

 

Any more lip from you and I will take a plane and school you "Wrestler Boy".:shock:

 

Mcvey you always school me,.... at least let me bake for 5 minutes in the sunlight of my one shining moment!!!!

 

Good Stuff, forgout how Flynn and Brown. Proves my point even further. Wilson and Shkor were no stiffs.

 

You are one of the Premier posters on here ,and I admire your commitment and passion for the sport.I am , however getting a lttle concerned about the frequency that Mendoza is in agreement with me.Time to dig old Jim Jeffries up again I think!

 

I know right! usually on 95% of things, me and you are in agreement!

 

New York Times March 13, 1950

WALCOTT TRIUMPHS BY KNOCKOUT IN FIRST

Philadelpha (AP)--Jersey Joe Walcott, 36 year old, Camden, New Jersey heavyweight, knocked out Baltimore's Johnny Shkor in 1:34 of the first round tonight at the Arena. Walcott weighed 197 and Shkor 216 for the scheduled ten-rounder.
Walcott came out at the bell, danced around his 6-foot-4-inch opponent for a minute or so and then struck with a right to the jaw that floored Shkor as if he had been hit with a blackjack.
The big Polish-American fell flat on his back. At the count of six he started to rise, but pitched forward on his face.
Shkor's handlers and Pennsylvania commission physician Dr Joseph I Leary jumped into the fing and spent five minutes reviving the stricken fighter.