Rocky Marciano hit harder than Sonny Liston

Marciano ko's Patterson.
I'm discrediting you, not Marciano.
Marciano softened Layne up with a sustained body attack.
Goldman managed Cesar Brion,and,when Brion fought Layne ,Goldman noticed Layne was soft in the body,accordingly he instructed Marciano to target it .Layne was systematically softened up with body shots, before the final punch was applied.
Layne was stopped 6 times and floored multiple times,he wasnt Chuvalo.

 

Williams was also in his prime, Satterfield lost last 2 fights and was not in good form.

Also Satterfield wasn't very durable or big guy.

At half of that number of pro fights Williams had, Whiterspoon faced Larry Holmes fighting for the HW title, so no, Williams was not onexperienced.

Also Satterfield was a LHW, smaller man and was not very durable, he was even KOed out by Jake LaMotta a MW.

Lets not forget that fighter cpuld not be green again with 35 pro fights, even if he was 20 years old, maybe he was young but was not green.

Williams had advantage in size unlike Satterfield who was also known for bad chin and stopped by any good man he faced.

 

You’ve said Williams fought nobodies so by your own reckoning he was inexperienced - you don’t gain experience fighting nobodies.

Logic 101.

Williams was also a very late substitute for the Satterfield fight - but you deliberately omit that fact.

If I asked you how much Williams weighed for Satterfield - you wouldn’t know the answer.

Cleve weighed just 201 1/2 lbs. Williams at his best weighed about 215 lbs.

Physically, Williams hadn’t even fully bloomed when he faced Satterfield.

Oh, and one other thing, you’re an idiot.

 

Yes he fought nobodies just like Tyson did, but what has a class of your opponents has to do with your experience?

Only fool can think that someone can have 35 pro fights and call him inexperienced just because Satterfield beat him as easy as your hero.

And Satterfield fought with injured hands, Anubis explained the whole fight.

Satterfield prime weight is 175 Williams was 215...calculate the difference between them, at least 30 lb of difference yet Satterfield destroyed him.

How man in his early 20s is not even fully bloomed?
At that time Tyson was a champion while Wilfred Benitez was already a champ for 3 years.

You ignore the fact that Satterfield was a LHw with bad chin and injured hands.

 

This sounds interesting. What exactly is the source of the statement that Satterfield had injured hands?

 

I found that on this Forum ancient posts also Anubis mentioned that these days.

 

Super. Point me to those posts. I'm always keen to learn new things.

 

I'll find and quote it here no problem.

 

Yap attack!!!

 

@Anubis
@Boxerboxer222

Guys who said that Satterfield had injured hands for Williams fight?

 

Lastarza was a world class defensive fighter. He was never stopped previously.
Lowry was also someone with a great chin.
When a fighter is stopped isn’t that important when determining power. One of Marciano’s flaws was he was inaccurate. Which is one of the reasons he may have taken longer to KO opponents than say Louis (idk if that’s even true). Which is why defensive opponents did well in lasting longer against the Rock.
Making someone’s face explode and getting the KO counts as a KO. To try and diminish that is counterintuitive and doesn’t help your point.
Marciano was 11-0 with 11 KOs against 200 plus pound fighters beating Don C, Louis, Savold, Schkor amongst some notables. First three being ranked at the time I believe.
Notable KOs Layne were Satterfield, Dunlap, Whitlock.

 

@Pugguy
So according to you fighters with 50 pro fights with journeymans and nobodies are less experienced than someone with 15 fights against good opponents?

This is the most stupid comment I have ever seen, amd has no logic at all.

After all arguing, your best arguments is that he was not experienced because he fought joruneymans and tomato cans?

Laughable.

Satterfield was 25 1/5 pounds lighter than Williams and 2 inches shorter, so yeah Satterfield win is better than Liston p4p because he was light heavyweight.

And about the age, 20 years old is enough of age to be at least somehow mature compared than to men in 20s and early 30s.

Also, Williams was pro for 6 years, 35 pro fights...that's not inexperienced man even if you wanna present that way, because Satterfield did better than your hero also being a smaller man.

I could bring that Satterfield had hand injury also for Williams fight and still managed to beat Williams as fast as Liston despite being 25 pounds lighter.