Rocky marciano in the golden era

I just want to ask everyone/anyone here


Do you think Rocky had great hand speed?

 

No, but it wasn't bad from 1954 and previous.

 

Okay now, fast forward to 14:20 on this video:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhZ3IA27T-I[/ame]



Still not great?


I dont know many fighters who can throw a right straight as fast as that punch.



I think people confuse sharpness and the ability to bring your hand back to guard as hand speed. Because damnit I never seen such a powerful punch thrown that fast.

 

no.. for his size he was as slow as a rock.
I would question If a guy like wlad klitschko who is 50+ lb more then him if he has faster hands then rocky- cause IMO he does

 

Marciano may "Seem" slow, but he also had 15 rounds to fight, I think he was more pace himself for the long haul imo.

He ran pretty fast back to his corner after knockdowns, So he must have of had fast feet for that, or even to play in football or baseball.

He may not have the footspeed of Dempsey or Ali, but again, Dempsey didnt pace himself for 15 rounds, which is why he mostly lost that power after the first 5 rounds.

 

Still not great. He wasn't slow, but he wasn't fast either. He could throw some quick punches in his prime, but he will rightfully never be known as a fast fighter.

 

Rocky couldn't throw a fast 3-4 punch combo but he could whip in a fast shot every now and then with surprising quickness as he did to Layne, Louis and of course Walcott. If Rocky caught you napping he could certainly make you pay for it.

 

Thats because speed is judged on footspeed, body speed, hand speed all combined.


Im simply looking at his hand speed, which is remarkably underrated.

 

Well, he probably wouldn't be undefeated in your scenario. The timepsan you laid out would have Marciano fighting until he was at least 45 or older. Considering he was a physical wreck by his 30s...yeah, he would probably lose more. :nut Ali turned pro 6 years younger than Rocky did and fought a less demanding style, no way Marciano could emulate his long career.

 

I dont think Rocky retires unbeating in the 70's, Fraizer and Foreman are the guys that are the most threat to his unbeating run.

But take Ali out of the 60's and replace him with Marciano, I think its a very good chance Marciano can repeat his undefeated run.

The only real threat is Liston, and like I said before, if he gets past that hill, and this is not relly a PRIME Liston we are talking about.

I think Marciano can rein in the era of the Coopers and the Williams, ete.

I dont relly see any one being much of a threat in the 60's. I think Ali fought a very weak era in the 60's imo.

 

The early 70s was the only real hot spot. And Frazier was winding down at this point after beating Ali. His weight gain, inactivity, and growing health problems would make him very vunerable to an upstart Marciano. Foreman is the real threat, if they are matched up against each other. And even if Big George beats Rocky, he won't be holding onto the title for long. Old Ali or Young would still beat him, both of whom would be vunerable to Marciano. Even if Rocky loses one or two fights, he's still going to get his hands on the title eventually and be a big time player.

 

Do not rate him because he fought fighters on the way down who were old and mostly great light heavies. The title challengers 1951 to 1955 blew their chances by being inconsistent. If you look at the fighters he fought as heavyweight champion none of them stand out well against other top challengers.

I have always seen Rocky as the guy who beat the guy who beat the main man when he was on the way down. Yes Walcott beating a fading Joe louis in 1947.

Never saw rocky against a tall fighter with a great jab or a really fast fighter like Paterson. So I find him very hard to rate. His fights were great to watch when up against a Walcott (talented but iffy at the highest level).

Every time the rocky fan club come on here I see more wholes in their arguements.

I do feel anybody with stamina problems gets found out by Rocky. So Liston, Foreman and Lyle might all get caught late if they can not knock out Rocky or keep him out of distance. Strangely Norton I think Rocky beats. Does Walcott hit harder than Lyle, Foreman, Shavers, Liston or Fraser, no in my book. How much punishment could Rocky take? I feel he might have a short career but pull off a couple of great wins.

Ali and Holmes boxs his headoff for me and Fraser beats him hands down.

Burger, Quarry, Ellis, the candian and the south american Bon?, Cleveland Williams and Patterson I feel are his level. Not bad company unless you are really Rocky nut I guess.