Rocky marciano in the golden era

combatesdeboxeo · Nov 9, 2010

The Mongoose said: ↑

Well, he probably wouldn't be undefeated in your scenario. The timepsan you laid out would have Marciano fighting until he was at least 45 or older. Considering he was a physical wreck by his 30s...yeah, he would probably lose more. :nut Ali turned pro 6 years younger than Rocky did and fought a less demanding style, no way Marciano could emulate his long career.
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you are trying to change the facts and the dates to say that rocky would have been old in the 70s then according to you he might not face foreman or frazier . ok
if rocky were born in 1942 he would had been 24 in 1966, his pro debut, foreman´s pro debut was in 1968, so rocky would lose anyway, against foreman,frazier and ali. in 1976 he would have been 34 just. he might face foreman and frazier in 1970-73 perfectly.obviously if you want he fight 10 times and he is retired , then would have been undefeated.

Dempsey1238 · Nov 9, 2010

Peter Brit said: ↑

]Do not rate him because he fought fighters on the way down who were old and mostly great light heavies. The title challengers 1951 to 1955 blew their chances by being inconsistent. If you look at the fighters he fought as heavyweight champion none of them stand out well against other top challengers. [/B]

Than Louis, Dempsey, Sullivan, and even Ali himself would fall off the radar by that stick. All greats beat up on the old and guys below there weight classes. Its not Marciano's fault that Walcott, Moore and Charles were beating the suppose big bad heavyweights that could not keep up with there speed.

I have always seen Rocky as the guy who beat the guy who beat the main man when he was on the way down. Yes Walcott beating a fading Joe louis in 1947.
Its always been that way.
Ali beat Liston on the way out
Dempsey beat Willard on the way out.
Louis beat Braddock on the way out.
Tunney beat Dempsey on the way out. Again, you are holding this against the Rock, when others CLEARLY done it.
Sometimes things change, VK loseing to Lewis, but most often, the champ grows old, and some young start grabs the title. Its always been that way.

Never saw rocky against a tall fighter with a great jab or a really fast fighter like Paterson. So I find him very hard to rate. His fights were great to watch when up against a Walcott (talented but iffy at the highest level).

Would Rock be rank other way if he beat a Willard or Carnea??
Louis and Dempsey didnt face gaint monsters either. That didnt come around until Lewis and the Klits.

Every time the rocky fan club come on here I see more wholes in their arguements.

I do feel anybody with stamina problems gets found out by Rocky. So Liston, Foreman and Lyle might all get caught late if they can not knock out Rocky or keep him out of distance. Strangely Norton I think Rocky beats. Does Walcott hit harder than Lyle, Foreman, Shavers, Liston or Fraser, no in my book. How much punishment could Rocky take? I feel he might have a short career but pull off a couple of great wins.

Ali and Holmes boxs his headoff for me and Fraser beats him hands down.

Burger, Quarry, Ellis, the candian and the south american Bon?, Cleveland Williams and Patterson I feel are his level. Not bad company unless you are really Rocky nut I guess.
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The Mongoose · Nov 9, 2010

combatesdeboxeo said: ↑

you are trying to change the facts and the dates to say that rocky would have been old in the 70s then according to you he might not face foreman or frazier . ok
if rocky were born in 1942 he would had been 24 in 1966, his pro debut, foreman´s pro debut was in 1968, so rocky would lose anyway, against foreman,frazier and ali. in 1976 he would have been 34 just. he might face foreman and frazier in 1970-73 perfectly.obviously if you want he fight 10 times and he is retired , then would have been undefeated.
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:huh

-If Rocky turned pro in 1960 as your original timeline would suggest than no, I don't think he would face Frazier or Foreman. He would be retired by 68, maybe 66 if he's drafted.

-If Rocky turned pro in 1966, than yes, there is a possibility he could face Frazier or Foreman as I already posted. I wouldn't count the fact they were active as guaranteed losses however and proof he wouldn't go undefeated, depends on the timing and other variables we can't possibly know for sure. Maricano wasn't active enough to face every top contender in the 50s and I doubt he would in the 60s and 70s. Due to his status as an outdoor stadium attraction, frequent injuries, and extensive training camps, he barely fought twice a year during his time at the top.

-Really, it looks like you just randomly matched up Marciano against every Ali opponent you could think of...and that just isn't going to happen. Your comparing an active 20+ year career to a guy who barely fought 8.

MagnaNasakki · Nov 9, 2010

He loses to the greats, beats all the rest and probably gets past a faded Liston.

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