Rocky Marciano picked Patterson to beat Liston

The people who picked Patterson generaly cited his better speed, and his two wins over Johansen in suport of their case.

 

Maybe they were betting on Sonny.

 

Lots of people picked Patterson and ended up on the losing side of course. Floyd could have done better for himself IMO. Fear of Sonny got a hold of him before the ink dried on the contract.

 

I think it was more acceptable and politicaly proper to pick Floyd over Sonny. I think that voting for ex con was in bad tone at that time.

 

I was thinking the same thing.

 

Tony Galento had Ali/Clay winning over Liston. :good

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...&pg=7227,3839049&dq=galento+clay+liston&hl=en

 

Now days, we look back and say no way would I pick Patterson over Liston.


But also Patterson was the heavyweight champion, so that plays a large part in who would get the votes.

Marciano as heavyweight champ was favor over Charles and Louis over Walcott.

Only in RARE cases is the champion not the pick for the fight.

 

it seems crazy now since we know what happeed but back then fight people rememberd liston struggle with marshal, summerlin, whithurst and machen. There was no obsesion with big heavyweights back then since smaller heavys generaly had the edge over big guys. sure liston was great against wiliams and harris but both dudes had been knocked out before. perhaps rocky and co figured patterson knocked out beter guys than liston in johansson and moore? when you think about it johansson and moore were beter than the guys liston beat till that point.

 

Being old enough to remember, they were a lot of people who always had doubts about Liston.

This is a post I found on another boxing blog by a poster named Naf203

"Mike brings up and interesting point. According to the old boxing magazines, Liston was considered a beatable fighter even in his prime. I had always been under the impression that Liston was seen as a force of nature prior to the first Patterson fight and that it was a foregone conclusion that Liston would beat Patterson.

From reading old boxing magazines, I found that I was wrong. Liston was seen as a slow, ponderous fighter by many. The Ring Magazine's "panel of experts" picked Patterson to beat Liston in the first fight. Liston was an 8 to 5 betting favorite according to the magazine, but of thier panel of 36 experts, 20 picked Patterson to win."

I don't have that copy of Ring, but this is my recollection. Jack Dempsey wrote an article in Sport Magazine about Liston being overrated. Ring writers Dan Daniel and Ted Carroll certainly were skeptical. Liston's rep went through the roof with his two first round ko's of Patterson and he all of a sudden was unbeatable. He went in against Ali a 7-1 favorite.

 

Liston 2 one round knockout victories over a Prime ATG heavyweight are perhaps the most dominating performances over another ATG, a fighter has ever recorded. I do agree with Fogey that Liston was not seen as some unbeatable force at the time, and that it was the patterson victories which put him over the top. But I am sure upon retirement experts looked back and realized Liston dominated contenders Machen, Folley, Williams, Valdes, Dejohn...who Cus D amato avoided fighting. So Liston essentially cleaned out the era once he decisively defeated floyd 2x.

 

henry cooper and gilbert odd rated liston prety low in books writen around 1979-84. Listons "stock" as a ATG grew around the tyson period.

 

It was acknowledged in the newspapers at the time that Liston had fought the tougher opposition. Patterson was given enough respect as a champ and for his performance against Johansson in the rematch not to be counted out entirely, but he was still the betting underdog against Liston, a rare occasion for the defending champion.

 

It must be remembered that Patterson was not all that highly regarded while champion. Many felt that D'Amato ducked the toughest opposition on the way up, and also once he became champ.

I remember an article in one of the boxing magazines put out in 1961---"Even Carnera was better."

There had a discussion show on TV following the Friday Night Fights and I remember the comment following Patterson regaining the title. "Ingo turned out to be a one-handed fighter with a glass jaw. Patterson is better. He is a two-handed fighter with a glass jaw."

All snideness aside, Patterson was not that highly thought of.