Rocky Marciano vDeontay Wilder?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I would be just as intrigued to see it but have a feeling Rocky approached it much like he did the Joe Louis fight. This win is dismissed because Louis was not prime but People forget how under rated this comeback is and what a big man Joe was. Louis might have fought at 199lb in his prime years but post war Louis fought dark exhibitions (practically real fights with knockouts, no head gear, small gloves) closer to 230lb. He was a hard 213 for Marciano. The same weight a slightly shorter Sonny Liston was versus Patterson.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Classy , mature and classy.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    So if you go up weight class you only add fat to your stomach? Being bigger usually means that it is harder for a smaller man to hurt you than if you were the same size.

    That is why a Kovalev or a Stevenson would probably not dent a guy like Valuev.
     
  4. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can you explain, why you don't want to answer my question in post #115?
     
  5. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    When you put on weight, do your bones get bigger? Or your skull?

    I mean the human body is a complicated matter, but sitting in my armchair I don't see how a little extra fat on your forehead would help you take a punch.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    If you are bigger you still hurt when your getting beat. Taking the right punch, with the right momentum behind it, in the right place knocks everyone out.

    Being bigger means you stand more chance of holding your ground. So sure it would take momentum away from kovalev agaist Valuev but this is way past an extreme example. So yes size does restrict a lot of things. The chin stays the same.

    Holding ring centre and keeping your opponent on the back foot takes their power away. You can argue being biggest reduces the opposition's punch power.

    The appearance of an improved punch resistance from gaining weight has a lot to do with a lot of different things. And a lot has to do with what the other guy can or can't do depending on the size differential and class level. Momentum, leverage, anticipation, strength. A lot of factors.

    But no, if a guy out grows out of his pants his chin stays the same. A double chin does not mean double the punch resistance.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Why do you and Perry keep talking about fat ?

    We are talking about adding muscle to your frame. Was Jimmy Ellis fat as a heavyweight? Did he have a double chin? It's beyond silly .
    I'm sure you thought your little pun was funny ,but its irrelevant to this issue.
     
  8. mcvey

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    If you think the underlined is an issue then you are endorsing what I said about bigger men generally taking smaller men's punches better than those of an equal size ,otherwise there would be no advantage in the weight disparity would there!??? Marciano not only fought 3 former light heavies in 4 of his title defences ,and another one in one of his major fights, he fought 5 ACTUAL light heavies on his way up ie UNDER or at175lbs! Throw in several more that scaled around or under 180lbs. I'm sure they would go a long way with Foreman ,about half the opening round!
     
  9. kingfisher3

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    obviously extra fat doesn't equal a better chin, but;

    neck muscles are an important aspect in taking punches because it dampens the whiplash effect of a good shot to the chin, so imo even small gains in that area can help.

    just physics, bigger things are harder to move.
     
  10. kingfisher3

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    good points
     
  11. mcvey

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    Marciano defies the laws of physics,logic too!

    It's strange that he fans say size doesn't matter, he could overcome it and ko anyone .Yet two of the most respected trainers of all time, Emmanuel Steward ,and Eddie Futch both said Marciano was too small to tackle and overcome modern, class heavyweights.?
    One point of view is wrong , which one ? Is it Rocky's die hard fans? Or Steward and Futch?:think
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I endorse that it's harder for a small man to beat a big men when everything else is equal but the size. Generally a bigger man does not have to be better to beat a smaller man, he can be just as good and have the advantage just because he's bigger. Nothing to do with being more durable because they are big. It's about draining the strength from the other guy, taking ring centre. Wearing him down.

    All champions had an easy time of it against over matched guys. I was saying a 21lb weight advantage against already horribly overmatched guys was even more outrageous. And Foreman was #1 contender and still doing it! Why do you think that was ok?

    As a fan of boxing I applaud fair fights and fights where the lesser man is not so handicapped. Poor Terry Sorrel...poor man.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes it's harder to spin the inside of a man's head if his neck is so thick but also if he's coming in, taking away the space and room required to use full leverage your not going to hit him as hard as you want anyway.

    Get two guys to Hold him down and if he takes a running punch a wekterrweight would knock a giant out.
     
  14. The Mongoose

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    Not as mature and classy as Glee's race based prediction.

    To follow his example all fighter's names should be prefaced by their skin color...the white Marciano, the black Wilder.
     
  15. Perry

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    I have. Typically chins don't get better as weight increases. Bone structure remains the same. If you have a bad chin at 200 you will typically have a bad chin at 250. The added size in fact may make a fighter slower to react.....to roll with punches. A true pro will rarely be hit flush as he will anticipate a punch and ride with it. Slower reflexes with 50 pounds added weight could quite easily spell quick disaster with a well placed punch to the chin.