Rocky Marciano vDeontay Wilder?

it can be argued hearns chin got better as he went up in weight. i'm not as sure as others he had a particularly bad chin at any weight but that's regardless.

 

i'm not sure about the second bit, adding weight obviosly makes people slower in general, but how much bigger would you have to be for moving your neck a few degrees to be slowed? there are probably examples that could be used to counter this, but i would argue that is being out of shape/rusty, and you can be those things at any weight.

 

Do you intent to answer my question in post #115 or not? Just to refresh your memory, here it is again:
So if you scale a 200 lbs man up to a 250 lbs version of himself - then the bigger version doesn't take a better shot than the original one? Is that what you're saying?

 

The neck thing is one of many proposed punch resistance theories that may or may not be true with many variables.


Oliver McCall had a chicken neck, Tommy Morrison was built like a tank.

Wlad has one of the more muscular necks in history, Galento had a double chin lol

Holyfield had a powerful neck and could take anything.

Just no logic to it.

 

there's too many variables for hard rules for sure.

 

Maybe The faster fighters caught Hearns more flush than the bigger ones did?

Or maybe Tommy was more weight weakened in the lower class? Maybe he always was too big a man to be fighting in the smaller weight classes anyway?

 

Really don't see the argument for Hearns chin getting better.

He got destroyed by Hagler and Barkley inside 3 rounds. That never would have happened to him at welter.


I think what we do sometimes see is fighters growing more into their weight, or stronger by eating better. Bones do become denser as we mature, also with better nutrition. So possible to see a 24 year old skinny kid get knocked around at middle stand up to bigger punchers in his 30s as we saw with Ellis. Some of you are aware that many men don't reach peak bone mass until their mid 30s?

Also too many variables to conclude anything.

 

Wilder wins 12rd UD. Uses his reach to keep Rocky at bay, scores occasional combinations keeping Rocky off balance most of the night. Rocky scores a flash knockdown in the 10, Wilder holds on and survives a furious onslaught by Marciano in the 12th. Wilder earns repsect from nearly everyone save for some old ******s on www.YeOldeBoxing.com, and Rocky enhances his standing with boxing fans everywhere, although Spike Lee calls him a rasicist during his guest commentary on HBO.

 

the argument would be based on the fact he was stopped at 147 and twice at 160 but no lhw's or cruisers stopped him (including barkley at lhw)even tho he was past prime by that point. i never said it definatley got better, choklab's points are valid, as is the fact he faced his best opponents at the lower weights, but that he wasn't stopped in the 2 highest weights he fought at is a fact.

i agree with your points below that.

 

I'm not gonna lie.

Since realising Marciano had beaten Shkor I'm totally having to rethink his h2h rating.

 

There is nothing to over rate, he was what he was. And he was a SHW.

I never thought Rocky fought someone that big.

 

He was a not very successful bigger heavy who was beaten by Marciano in what was, for all intents and purposes, his final fight. The bearing this level of fighter at this point in his career should have on a prime champ like Wilder is rather insignificant.