Rocky Marciano vDeontay Wilder?

The funny thing is Shkor actually beat more good established fighters than Wilder in Johnny Flynn, Mauriello, and Payne.

Shkor was actually tested against everyone. Wilder has been carefully managed from "the go." We still don't know anything about him. Remember, I picked him to beat Stiverne as well.

Shkor was only 30 years old when he fought Maricano and took a bad beating. Just saying..one wouldn't be the first guy who's competitive careers ended prematurely after fighting the Rock.

 

Not totally insignificant.

This fight proved Rocky can beat a man who is bigger in every single dimension.

That means that when we discuss fights it comes down to skill rather than size. "Wilder is too big" doesn't cut it when Rocky has flattened someone just as big.

A bit like the Dempsey v Wlad thread that used to go round, given that Dempsey beat Willard it would be foolish saying "Wlad is too big" it was a matchup that came down to style and ability.

Just as this should do. That is the significance, Rocky vs a big man is not an unknown as I thought it was. We know he was too good for Shkor who was a 20-10 type SHW. It gives a platform to begin with.

Why did he beat Shkor is what I wanna know, did he try keeping Rocky at range or did he try to batter him up close with physical strength.

This is the best boxing discovery for me since the footage of Gibbons was uploaded to You Tube.

 

I can confirm Shkor has been ring rated in the top 10, courtesy of HHascup

"Rocky fought 13 different Opponents 16 times that were rated at one time or another in the top 10 in the World. (16-0)
Beshore, Charles 2, ****ell, LaStarza 2, Layne, Louis, Matthews, Moore, Muscato, Reynolds, Savold, Shkor and Walcott 2."

I know why he wasn't in my radar now as well, back when I did my initial HOF features fighters resumes I lived on boxrec, back then I think Shkor had a different listed height and the weight wasn't given for his fight against Rocky. I'm not sure at what point the accurate measurements were posted on the site but I'm guessing it was some time after 2011 which was when I began to devour records and resumes.

 

From what I've read Shkor used jab and clinch tactics to hit Rocky on the way in and then maul him up close. Doing this he managed to open up a cut and that was something he targeted every time Rocky was at range.

On the way in pre clinch rock was able to land a couple of shots conistently. Eventually Shkor threw a lazy enough jab where Rocky could time and land a bomb, once hurt he went on the attack and bombed him out.

Really wish I could see this fight.

 

1950-09-18 : Rocky Marciano 190½ lbs beat Johnny Shkor 220½ lbs by TKO at 1:28 in round 6 of 10
Location: Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
Shkor, who had just previously been KO'd in one round by Jersey Joe Walcott, was big and strong, and his mauling tactics were worrisome to Marciano for four rounds. Johnny stayed at close quarters and leaned on his opponent, trying to tire him out. Even so, Rocky did enough punching to win the first three rounds and the fourth was even. Marciano began to find the range in the fifth and knocked Shkor down with a left hook and a right to the eye just before the bell. Marciano came out in the sixth throwing bombs and Shkor was down for three nine-counts before the fight was stopped. Rocky suffered a left eyelid cut in the first round, which his handlers closed, but Shkor opened it in the third and it bled freely after that. The attendance was 6,072 and the gross gate was $12,081.

 

There's a couple of newspaper articles as well. Don't know if it was ever filmed though.

 

Yes, he could beat a man who is bigger, was never any great shakes and was at the very end of the line.

Now, I'm not sold on Wilder at all.... It's one of those things that makes these match-ups between old established legend and current fights with an incomplete career so difficult and even more speculative than usual.

 

And that was better than I realised Rocky was. Maybe you just rated him higher than me.

As always these fights are speculative, as long as an opinion can be backed up its all good.

 

That's the beauty of stats isn't it, we can see a bigger picture and we can dig deeper for meaningful context.

Those are just raw data points, people who Rocky has beaten that featured at some point in the ring top ten.

As for Shkor I never realised his dimensions before. Never knew he'd beaten a fringe contender with SHW dimensions. Hence the need to revaluate.

 

Well Marciano would have beaten Dempsey so at least there's that

 

I knew that McVey was going to step up for that one

Actually I think Dempsey Marciano would have been a great, great fight. One of the hypothetical matchups that I would have most liked to have seen.

 

Dempsey was the far greater fighter however Rocky was an ATG and I would not be surprised if he were to win over Jack. Certainly Dempsey should be the odds on favorite in this hypothetical bout. It would have been quite the war. I often wonder how Marciano would handle Dempseys very quick start. I would expect Dempsey would inflict terrible damage to Rocky during those first three minutes pounding to the body with punches Sharkey stated "felt like they were coming out your back".