Rocky Marciano vDeontay Wilder?

Big means nothing.

Rocky destroys Wilder. ATG fighter vs a noob.

Understand BOXING. A great inside fighter who knows how to fight small, slipping, ducking and weaving around and under punches and then coming up under and over with counters negates a tall fighters advantage.

 

Wrong question.

Which live body did Wilder fight?

Do you think that there wasn’t a guy of Wilder’s size in Mariano’s era, who knew how to box, and knew how to lean on his opponents?

 

Ok, so is the right question was there a guy of Wilder’s size in Marciano's era, who knew how to box, and knew how to lean on his opponents?

 

Yes, and like in most eras, none of them got near the title!

Simple.

Knowing how to box is not some rarefied skill, reserved for a small world class elite.

If it is, then the many self-appointed boxing coaches on this forum have to be asked why they never held title!

 

No ****. Particularly galling when he exhibits no more acumen than the garden variety poster.

 

Marciano KO RD 10

Wilder puts up a good fight. Lands some jabs and a few uppercuts. But Marciano is too quick and powerful for him.

 

The two guys lived years apart so I don't think it that unreasonable to say wilder would be no bigger than Ernie Terrell in another era. Proberbly even lighter.

Wilder is 100% a product of this environment today. Marciano was a product of any environment before 1986 or so. Suggesting either meet under the standard of each other's era makes them entirely different fighters. Good ones but different.

It's a fantasy fight. I don't see any value in them meeting as they were without the same access to training of an actual time they could meet.

It's not unreasonable to suggest any Superheavyweight would be different in the past because generally that sized men was different in the past. Certainly less successful. Training just did not get the best out of them. Traditional methods did not make or develop an effective superheavyweight until very recently in boxing history.

 

No I am not worried about the outcome at all. I am wondering that for a fantasy match to actually happen it would or could only happen in one era to actually happen. That must include preparing for the fight within somebody's era surely?

In the open weight class we have a situation where physical advantage within the current specimens is finally able to take over from who is actually the best fighter.

If you made the second tier contenders from another era no better but simply bigger and pit them against the top tier of their own era they still come off second best. Johnny Paycheck is still not beating Joe Louis.

You could make paycheck 7'4" and 300lb. He's not beating Joe Louis or Jersey Joe.

But in the present era, if we made Either Klit brother, Fury or valuev shorter and smaller than their peers nobody would ever have heard of them.

This is a key factor assessing the worth of what makes a great boxer today. The sport is still called boxing.

 

Yes but until now there has NEVER been room for a seven foot Johnny Paycheck within the top half of the ratings.

Besides. Head to head still entails first preparing for a fight in one or the others era.

Who the hell is taking a ride in a time machine to meet in the ring that night? This is not home advantage it's time advantage. Surely any manager worth his salt will want to investigate the landscape, set up a camp and see his kids opponent first? Find sparring partners that know the other guys style etc?

 

I think matching them specifically as they are, you would favour Rocky based purely on the sum of his career.

When you consider stylistically you have Wilder who is huge and considered to have huge power, throws combinations at any range and has shown he can box behind a jab. He has shown he can get drawn into a brawl and tagged and stunned.

Rocky will come to crouch his way in and if he can slip the jab, get inside and unload before taking too many shots he will probably grind Wilder down. But a man this size you can't discount that possibility that Rocky jusy crouches into an uppercut or gets clinched and leant upon as soon as he is in range before punching himself.

Let's remember as well, throughout boxing history Marciano is maybe the least proven champion against men of this size. We know swarmers such as Dempsey, Langford, Frazier and Tyson did succeed against true HW fighters but Rocky himself did not.

So you either have to use a leap of faith and say Rocky's skill level overcomes the size disparity in a way it never did do or you say Wilder's size advantage overcomes a skill disparity in a way it never did do.

For me the former is less of a leap so I take Rocky by ko in about 7 rounds.

 

For the record I do think Rocky would be heavier today, about 205 pounds or so.

 

Also for the record I do agree with Choklab in fantasy fights being different in certain eras. I just don't feel that in Rocky's era Wlad would be a lanky hapless 200 pounder I do feel in Wlad's era Rocky would be a short stocky 200 pounder though.