Rocky Marciano vDeontay Wilder?

Threads like these are perplexing. If people put Wilder up against Louis or Dempsey people would be laughing at the implication of Wilder having a shot.

Really makes you wonder how Marciano was able to accomplish what the did when his H2H ability is rated so low, and based on film, rightfully so.

 

Nobody backs Carnera versus Marciano. Why wilder?

 

Boxing is not ice skating.

A punch to the jaw tastes the same as it always did.

I seem to remember that research proved the Spartan warriors of ancient times came out on top against a ninjas and such like on the "deadliest Warrior" tv show.

Combat sports are not comparable to advances in pastimes or Olympic events.

 

If you were answering a question about a fight between Hagler and Spinks, would you assume Hagler weighed 160?

 

no I would not, however, I wouldn't assume Hagler would be the same force he was at MW as he would be at LHW.

For what it is worth I would take Spinks over Hagler head to head even if Hagler came in at 175.

It is not easy going up in weight if it was all past champions would of been doing it when reality shows us that only the very best champs did it and many a time they got beat.

 

Wilder only weighs 215 pounds.

 

Exactly.

Also, boxing is natural, and very simple. It's been around forever. It can't evolve as a sport, the same way football does.

 

Like darts, a dart thrower from yesteryear wouldn't necessarily be worse than a dart thrower from today because all they're doing is throwing a dart and how much can that really evolve?

Like throwing a punch, it can't change that much. Technique and defensive prowess can be improved which is why those who innovated those styles still seem elite now on film, but punch style, power and resistance cannot improve the way some think.

Ketchel might well get outboxed by someone like Sumbu Kalambay but how many MW people would you favour to out brawl him? To match him punch for punch and come out on top?

 

I would say a heavyweight stops being a true heavyweight at 235lb. I like the example of a fighter being so big he could never realistically make 225, and even now that's not too many when you check the lowest some SHW have scaled.

A true superheavyweight is 6'5" in my view. This kind of height, modern training won't allow less than 225 anymore. Anything shorter is a manufactured SHW but since 235lb seems to be about the weight that a boxer seems to function like a big man with his skills and pace compromised for using weight in itself as an advantage I would include them too.

Holding a man down in order to rest is another point where Superheavyweight starts.