Rocky Marciano vDeontay Wilder?

Of course, somebody just pulled the idea of weight clases out of his ass.

 

How could he? he only defended the title 6 times.

 

That's not the point mate.

I never realised Rocky had fought someone who would be a SHW. This is new information to me.

It doesn't matter specifically where Shkor was ranked, he was a fringe contender whether that's 15 or 9 in a given month isn't the big issue here.

The point is that now I have a starting point. I can now say that Rocky was able to beat a fringe contender SHW. That's somewhere to begin. The question then isn't about size it's about skill. How good does the SHW have to be to beat Rocky? A fringe contender couldn't do it, what about a rated contender? What about a consistent contender? What about a top 5 contender, or even a champion.

We have a basis to begin and now it's a question of how much a leap of faith we will take.

Something I need to ponder. But it's exciting, I love finding out new stuff about old fighters.

 

I think Foreman having 21lb weight advantages is more of an issue against former lightheavyweights than Marciano possibly being outweighed himself by a former lightheavyweight.

In Marcianos day a lightheavyweight was a heavyweight too. And a lot of that is to do with how they trained. Lightheavyweight was not then an exclusive division. A title existed called "the lightheavyweight title" open for the smaller among the heavyweights but it was a mere springboard for the heavyweight title. Tell me I'm wrong when you can find a lightheavyweight champion who retired never having fought a heavyweight who was born before Marciano turned pro.

 

Weight classes are for lower weight divisions. Dempsey or Marciano at 190 could ko any man at any weight. Chins don't get better just because you are bigger.

 

If you can take a punch you can take a punch. If you can't take a punch you can't take a punch. Same chin but bigger body same result.

 

Yes and that was ok back when a lightheavyweight was regarded as another type of heavyweight. A light heavyweight.

Marcianos credentials as both a contender and Champion is beyond reproach.

George Foreman on the other hand fought the most diabolical amount of mismatches when he was #1 contender.

And Deontay Wilder not only had not fought beyond 4round but he even fought Jason Gavern in his last fight before he became a champion. What was that going to teach him?

 

So if you scale a 200 lbs man up to a 250 lbs version of himself - then the bigger version doesn't take a better shot than the original one? Is that what you're saying?

 

Carrying extra weight puts more weight behind a punch. It isn't doing anything for a chin.

James Toney is used as an example to suggest punch resistance but he was tuned to anticipate middleweights before he moved up.

If it was proven a heavier man is harder to knockout I would say that has as much to do with weakening a smaller opponent as improving punch resistance.

You could argue that it takes more to spin the inside of a man's head if his neck is thicker. But that's nothing to do with his whiskers or chin.

 

Chin in terms of one shot ko, I agree with.

However heavier men can punch harder d the cumulative effect of taking the extra punches can really get to a fighter.

 

Yes I agree a bigger man will make a better impression on a smaller man with less effort. If the two Punch at the same speed at the same pace landing punch for punch the bigger man is doing a lot better. So yes if the big man lands every single punch didn't tire and is not outworked by a smaller faster man he wins every time.

However, if the smaller man has a greater work rate and somehow hits the big man two or three times to one back that will more than even things up. Especially if the smaller man has extraordinarily hard punches for his size.

 

You do realize that to be knocked down depends on many more factors that just who you fight don't you?

You do realize being KOed depends on many more factors other than who you fight don't you?

For the hundredth time......weight means a lot at lower weight divisions. Means much less at hwt. This is well known and well understood by anyone who knows the sport.