Rocky Marciano vs. a generic super HW w/ decent power

Agreed he probably only beats half of that list, and thats no disrespect to Rocky PFP i think he is definetly an ATG fighter.

 

I often empathize with a lot of Marciano supporters that the size thing is a bit overstated and Rocky is all too often written off in fantasy match-ups because of it.. In all reality though, It's difficult for me to pick him in a lot of fights, due to the fact that we never really saw him against a truly large heavyweight who also met the criteria of being in his prime, having quality management, the full package of good skills, athleticism and a good record.... Take Riddick Bowe for example. In 1992, Bowe was 25 years old, stood 6'5", and weighed 235 lbs.. in addition, he was undefeated 32-0, had just dethroned a prime Holyfield, was very well managed and a former olympian as an amateur. How many guys did Marciano fight like that? Sure, he faced a fair number of hall of famers with proven abilities, but none of them possessed that full package... This is the type of man that we never saw him test his legendary power, chin and workrate against.. That's why I have a hard time picking him in a lot of fights... Of course, I would pick him against a mediocre journeyman by modern day standards, who was 6'5", and weighed 235 lbs, but that's not what most of us are talking about when comparing him to the upper tier of a modern era..

 

Agreed.

Even so Louis was past it, he still had his power and overall punching ability and that is better than most super heavies ever will have. He hit Marciano. He couldn't hurt him. Tells me more than enough about his chin.

How many fighters with the determination, intensity, combination of stamina, chin, power and workrate like Marciano did they fought? Why are people constantly talking about the advantages of the super heavies but not the disadvantages like beeing less coordinated? What about those guys never fighting a guy of Marciano's size who also knew how to use his size. He knew how to fight small with his crouch. he big fighters would need to bow to the front or down to hit him properly which opens them up and puts them offbalance. They never proved they can deal with this. I don't say they would be easily beat by the Rock, jus said that these things rarely get mentioned in these matchups. You mostly hear about them beeing to big and strong. But their size could be urned against them.

 

i dont know how old Joe Louis was but he got his ass whooped

 

There were superheavyweights in Marciano's era who were better than all those guys but they were all dismantled by either Archie Moore or Harold Johnson.

 

It dosn't work like that.

If Marciano's oponents were cruiserweights then that implies that they were protected by a weight limit whereby they would not have to fight a heavyweight.

Now Archie Moore fort example had to beat Nino Valdez twice to get his title shot against Rocky Marciano. In my book that makes him on more a cruiserweight than the heavyweight version of Evander Holyfield. Personaly I think that Marciano would have done a lot better against some bigger slower moving oponents than the small technicians he was thrown in with, and his chin might have held up better as well.

Even when the heavyweight division was pegged at 154lbs you could still get thrown in with a well conditioned 230lb opponent.

 

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Who were they ? PLease name them. Then tell me how many of them Rocky fought and defeated ... Surely you realize styles make fights and that Rocky brought different skills to the ring than Moore but also had different challenges to overcome ...

 

He beats the majority, maybe all but for some he'd have to fight smart, move his head more. The champs of era trained hard and were cautious with these types so Marciano would have to do the same

Danny Williams hits like a ton of bricks, he hit way harder than Rocky imo, you dont really want to trade with him.

Briggs another banger, you dont want to take his money shot

Grant is huge, can bang and a very good athlete he could cause a few problems

Golota doesnt have that much power but his jab, 1-2, strength and workrate would make it a tough fight

He'd have to stay mobile and get in and out with big shots and he should win but not necessarily easily

 

That wasnt the Louis Rocky faced though was it, Louis had retired and was forced to come back, got schooled by Charles and only had 3 stoppages in his last 8 fights by the time Rocky got to him

Louis was leagues better than these men but punch for punch dont be suprised to find out Briggs/Williams hit harder, its just they are completely immobile to land much of the time