Rocky Marciano vs. a generic super HW w/ decent power

True. But no doubt the last thing you lose is your power. And although Louis had lost two steps by the time Rocky faced him he still landed (at times)

I agree with ya'.....for once:good

 

Golota would beat Rocky, even though he's too small to low blow.

 

I would submit that Ninoi Valdez or Bob Baker or even sombody like Earl Walls could have beaten most of the fighters put forward on that list.

Are you suggesting that the only thing that stood between these fighters and the title was Archie Moore?

 

Marciano did not beat Louis the all time great Champion, but he did beat Joe Louis the aged contender. Working his way to another title shot, Louis was still beating Ring Top 10 fighters like the slick 6'2" Cesar Brion who would not be stopped until the end of his career despite facing punchers like Charles and Baker..was also robbed against Rex Layne. Louis also brutally stopped the tough Number One Contender/British Champion Lee Savold. Declined is a more accurate description than "shot," he wasn't prime but he was good enough to still be a game contender.

Shkor was said to be an unsually agile strong man, he was a decent well schooled fighter with potential but perhaps was thrown to the wolves too eagerly. He was also criticized for lacking a mean streak, only showing aggression when he claimed he was being fouled or roughed up too much.

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Agreed. :good

 

Rocky fought 12 guys in his pro career who were 200 pounds or more.

Jackson 254 4-2 KO1
Hardeman 207 1-4 KO1
Connolly 213 8-5 KO1
Donato 202 9-6 KO1
Eatman 207 20-19 KO3
Buonvino 200 22-11 KO10
Shkor 221 29-18 KO6
Wilson 230 42-11 KO1
Simmons 201 8-8 KO8
Louis 214 66-2 KO8
Savold 200 96-37 KO6
Cockell 205 66-11 KO9

12-0, 12 KO's

Averages of the 12
Weight: 212
Record: 31-11
Result: KO5

 

Is this list pro or con his shot at bigger men ? Not a great argument if it is pro ...

 

Nino or Baker beats which ones on the list ? It seems like Valdez lost a lot of fights that could have launched him into a title bout. I wish I can see more of him on tape. I do feel that his size and skill set may have been a challange for Rocky we did not see ... neither he or Baker seem too impressive to me ..

 

Even though many cruiserweights, light heavyweights, and even middleweights have held HW titles? :think

 

Looking at Valdez on film I see him as sombody who could well beat Peter or Briggs and I would pick him over sombody like Williams in a heartbeat.

 

While many of these guys are not world beaters these results do not suggest that Rocky strugled particularly with this type of fighter.

I do note that Shkor gave him a cut that troubled him for the rest of his career.

 

212 Lbs is not supper hevyweight size.

 

Jones, Fitzsimmons, Spinks, Toney, Haye. Am I Missing anyone?
As far as I know only one of them, Haye has fought a super heavyweight.

 

Holyfield and Moorer off the top of my head.

Where exactly is the line drawn between heavy and super heavy?

 

You could add Loughran, Conn, Carpentier, H. Johnson, Moore, O'Brian, Greb, Walker and many others who established themselves as top contenders even though hey didn't win a title - and actually I think every one of them would hold a title today.