Rocky Marciano vs Andy Ruiz Jr

He's not, he just fights against slower fighters.

 

Andy has the quickest hands in the division. This is no revelation or mystery to those who have been following him.

 

Maybe, but he's definitely slower than Walcott or Charles. Marciano is slow compared to them, he's not slow compared 250 lbs giants.

 

I don't find old Walcott or old Charles overly quick on film. Check out some of Andy's other fights, when he's not trying to reach to a giant opponent and working in the pocket. He has real quicks.

 

I used to think that AJ vs Marciano would have been a foregone conclusion, now I'm not so sure.....I don't care if AJ is 6'6 240ish after what I saw last night.

 

Then it would be a draw!!

 

Marciano would have a field day with Ruiz. It would be a long, savage beating until Ruiz finally gets saved by the ref or stopped around Round 10. Nothing in the Joshua fight changes my opinion on this. Hell, Ruiz landed less than 9 punches per round on the lumbering Joshua. Rocky would land 5 times that amount on a target like Ruiz.

 

Let me see the slow unskilled, no talent, tomato can, 5'10 180 pound Rocky Marciano. A tomato can who never fought a modern sized heavyweight in his sad little career. The same Marciano who got his butt whipped by 160-170 pound club fighter Ted Lowry and was almonst knocked out. [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rocky_Marciano_vs._Ted_Lowry_(1st_meeting)[/url]

Again a modern sized (fat) and modern skilled heavyweight. Andy Ruiz by early KO. The second round is the longest I can see it coming. But of course the guys who like Rocky Marciano for a obvious reason that has nothing to do with boxing, will tell you that size doesn't mean anything. You know but only when it benefits their TV heroes. If size and weight classes don't mean anything then Floyd Mayweather could beat Marciano because he is more skilled.

These clueless sad biased Marciano fans will tell you but Marciano punches so hard. Marciano punched harder enough to knock out old men, mob controlled fighters and tomato cans who were 190 pounds and less. Knocking out old men and tomato cans doesn't equate to being a harder puncher and knocking out old men and tomato cans who were 190 pounds or less doesn't equate to being a hard enough puncher to hurt modern sized and skilled heavyweights.

 

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Goodbye!!!

 

The bottom line is that Marciano won the fight, and the rest is speculation.

Even if you are right, he was nowhere near his prime at the time.

The problem here is that Ruiz isn't even that big.

He is like 6' 1'' with a 74'' reach, which is not particularly big in any era.

The only dimension in which he is impressive is weight, and that is because he is obese.

If you are going to call Ruiz an "modern sized heavyweight" then you might as well do the same for Tony Galento!

I would wager that some of the men who Marciano stopped, had a better chin than Joshua!

A small guy with a good chin, is generally harder to stop, than a big guy with a mediocre chin!

 

Sometimes there is more dignity in admitting that you were wrong, or partially wrong, than resorting to ridiculous arguments!

If you want to try to build Ruiz up, and try to find an angle to make him Tokyo Douglas, then go ahead, but it is not a path to happiness!

 

I'd say Bonavena or Chuvalo had better chins and both were smaller than AJ

 

What exactly was I incorrect about? I have called Joshua an imposter almost since Day 1. He seemed more like a Crossfit star than a fighter. I gave him a bit of credit for coming back against Wlad but said he was too musclebound and didn't have any stamina. And meanwhile, I have been a Ruiz fan for years.

How the Marcianistas bend this result into some sort of victory for their mythology is beyond me. A re you really going to contend that Marciano was faster than Ruiz is? Sorry if you don't follow the sport past 1960 but folks have been talking about Ruiz since the amateurs. He's not some kind of non-entity. And what all mention is hand speed and combo punching. Are you going to contend that Ruiz and Marcano are the same size? That's ludicrous by objective measurements. Ruiz was in camp for 15 weeks. This is the size he is and chooses to be when fighting the biggest and, on paper at least, best opponent he has faced. He was not unprepared, quite the opposite.

 

Were you picking many greats of the past to beat him for these reasons?

The weight that he chose to be was a disgrace!

I don't care how long he spent in camp, no world class heavyweight should come into the ring, looking like some guy at the pub who took his shirt off!

Notice how we don't have to make these kinds of excuses for the greats of the past?

If they lost at their peak, then it was against somebody whose credentials did not need to be defended!

 

Who did I pick Joshua over? I am curious.

The weight that he chose to be was a disgrace!

Hmm... Was he fast? Did he throw good leads and combos? Did he stay on balance while trying to close the distance? Was he decent enough size to make his presence felt and absorb what Joshua delivered? Looks like they knew what they were doing.