Rocky Marciano vs Andy Ruiz Jr

McCline was a good fighter with some good wins. He wasnt a knockout artist but hardly an arm puncher, he hurt and dropped some tough opponents. Irrelevant to my statement.

He did lack heart and he never beat anyone as good as Joshua. But as I said he had faster hands than Ruiz. You know thats true, otherwise you wouldnt be trying to bait and switch.

You are all over the new sensation, making crazy claims. Ruiz's speed and conditioning just isnt anything special, not now or ever.

 

His conditioning was pretty bad, his defense saw him take huge blows. His strategy to draw Joshua into exchanges was hardly advanced. You have to be trolling.

 

I’m gonna take a second to say I actually agree with you that I think Ruiz is being shat on maybe a little to much. I’ve watched what I could of him since he won and he’s def being under rated. Solid chin some power sets the pace well and isn’t afraid to take a punch to get in his comfort zone. He can compete w anyone today. That being said he has flaws. Despite your saying otherwise his fat will cut his career short. Watch Marciano and Frazier and tell me he avoids punches better then they do? He has difficulty crouching (because of his fat)which his height today should be a must. He doesn’t have great stamina which could be seen from the fourth round when he should have finished AJ but both fighters were exhausted...the fourth round. His hand speed is also exaggerated. It’s good but that’s because he throws so few punches and picks his spots well. If forced to a fast pace he wouldn’t survive past 6 w Frazier or Marciano imo

 

His conditioning was bad, but he was fresh when the fight ended and the body builder couldn't feel his legs. He applied pressure counter punching all night, and in fact moved his head which is why he wasn't knocked out. Do you think pressure counter punching is an advanced boxing strategy? Or do you prefer Mccline's flicking of a jab and occasional right hand in a third rate Holmes impersonation?

 

I think you're underestimating his physical strength by a lot. He's a tank which is why Joshua couldn't get rid of him. Sure, Marciano had better defense. But Marciano would be put on his back by punches that Ruiz took to get in the pocket. If you match two skilled pressure fighters, a 60-80 pound difference is even more important than if they were boxing upright.

 

I don’t think it’s guaranteed he gets put on his back. He wasn’t an easy man to hit cleanly (not hard to lay a glove on but the chin wasn’t an easy target). I would take stamina over the extra weight but that’s me and I c ur point

 

Joshua doesnt have a great tank and he paced himself horribly, but he wasnt gassed, he was overwhelmed.

Ruiz didnt really win with "pressure counter punching" What I was Joshua hitting Ruiz clean then freezing up when he got hit back. Ruiz would take 1 to land 3. Joshua wasnt willing to take anything and went into his ear muffs and got clubbed whenever he got hit.

I only used McCline to make a point that Ruiz cant even claim the fastest hands at 260+ title you gave him. If you want to construct post after post of McCline strawmen arguments...have fun.

 

Go watch some slow motion replays if you think Ruiz wasn’t countering.

 

Well, I don’t think two world class pressure fighters have ever fought with the smaller one giving away 60+ pounds and still winning.

 

Well said. Ruiz is and will always be a solid worthy contender.
He did defeat Joshua after all.
It's just some people are going a bit too far with him.

 

Nothing else needs to be said!!!

 

The word is "almost!....

 

If Ruiz is a SHW, so is big John L, Tony Galento, and big James Toney, right?

 

Holyfield butterbean Louis Galento although you’d be hard pressed to call butter bean n Galento world class I think the Frazier v Mathis bout is a good example of world class athletes competing despite the height and weight difference

 

Louis gave up 30-35 pounds against Galento.

I have no knowledge of Holyfield having fought Butterbean or Butterbean being world class.