Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Blah blah blah. Marciano wasn't Todd Herring.

    And Ron Lyle was stabbed to death and bled out and died on the operating table before he was revived and even had ONE pro fight. Should we discount ALL the losses in Lyle's career too because he would've been Superman if he hadn't already been legally dead once?

    If you're a destroyer at heavyweight, 170 pounders shouldn't knock you out. When does Bob Satterfield EVER beat Rocky Marciano? Never. No excuses necessary.

    Williams couldn't last three rounds with Satterfield and you're making fun of Marciano for fighting guys like Charles and Walcott and Louis?

    Get a room. This fantasy is comical. Rocky destroys him.
     
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  2. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. I wasnt addressing you so Ill keep my informal punctuation as it is.
    2. Maybe not but at least you get to read about your hero once again. He'd be pleased. He gets more play on this forum than he ever did during his career.
     
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Williams wasn't the 18-29-2 Art Henri, nor was he the 12-16-2 Willis Applegate.

    Actually my analogy was incorrect, I apologize. While Williams. even after having been shot decisively defeated Herring without trouble. Marciano went life and death with both of the above men with losing records, the former of whom, Williams himself as a green fighter defeated quicker than Marciano did without nearly as much trouble.

    The injury didn't seem to hamper Lyle to a noticeable degree as it did with Williams. Williams also died six times on the operating table before he was revived. He also lost enough blood to kill 6 people, and lost over a foot of his intestine, and suffered from permanent partial paralysis.
    Again, Williams was a mere 20 years old, green, and took the fight on a 2 day notice. Even the promoter acknowledged the gulf in experience between the 2, and Williams manager called it a gamble and only took the fight because he owed the promoter a favor. He also had done "very little sparring"
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    What was Marciano doing at 20 years old? He hadn't even turned pro.

    Considering Marciano at the same age Williams was when he lost to Satterfield hadn't even turned pro, I'd more than confidently favor Satterfield to win.

    As I've said numerous times, Williams was a very green fighter when he faced Satterfield while Marciano went life and death with has-beens, and journeymen in his prime who other people defeated far easier than he did.

    The only thing comical is you not even being able to remain consistent on your thoughts about Williams. First you defended him, praised his punching power, and even took the time to compile very hard to find testimonies of opponents praising his power, now you're dismissing all the opponents who spoke highly of his power, as people who "destroyed" him (which itself is a lie seeing as none of the aforementioned men "destroyed" him with the exception of Liston). When confronted with this blatant hypocrisy you don't even have the balls to address it. You're quite simply, a coward.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When did I compile hard to find testimonials? When did I defend him? I think I've been pretty brief and clear. He loses. (LOL)
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let me refresh your memory.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Think it's safe to say neither of these two men would be intimidated by the other.
     
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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who are you talking to? Are you replying to a different person? (LOL)

    Maybe you should sit the next couple of plays out. (LOL)

     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are Dubblechin correct?
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right. And we're talking about Marciano vs. Williams, right? And I said Marciano stops Williams inside five, right?

    You going back years and trying to find any time I said Williams punches hard has what to do with this, actually?

    Did I say Williams didn't hit hard in this thread? No. I said Marciano beats him. And I said Marciano probably says Williams hits hard, too, as they're trying to revive Williams.

    Take a few minutes, champ. You're flailing. (LOL)
     
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  10. Gazelle Punch

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    Cleveland Williams was 33-1 when he faced Satterfield. Hardly a babe in the woods at that point. Stop making excuses for a man with an abysmal record. Everyone is still waiting to hear Cleveland’s five best wins (compare that to Rocky’s beaten opposition and their best wins). Rocky’s top opponents (those old men you speak of) would have wiped the floor with Williams. Lastarza and Layne beat him too.
     
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  11. young griffo

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    Williams had also fought just 2 weeks previously before facing Satterfield so it’s not like he was out of shape either. Unless he was still banged up from the previous fight ( which Boxrec tells me was a 6th round KO of Sylvester Jones, avenging his first loss) but no one really knows that except for Williams who obviously can’t say anymore.

    To be fair though a fighter like Satterfield is the ultimate “high risk, low reward” opponent. With his power he’s highly dangerous but with his record you won’t receive much credit for beating him or worse you’ll be castigated for losing to him as has happened to Williams here.
     
  12. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This thread has been done probably a dozen times before, just like Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson with many hoping for a different outcome, but this thread can be fun to look at.
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is you dismissing testimonies of Williams' punching power "Cleveland's claim to fame aren't his wins, it's that people "who destroyed him" said he hit hard." which aside from the "who destroyed him" part being a blatant lie on your end, I'm perplexed as to why you so adamantly defending Williams in the thread I'm referring to, to the point where you dug up difficult to find testimonies about his power, if you didn't think his power was all that. You're a liar, and a hypocrite, and change your argument whenever it suits you.
    Yeah, you also said Wilder was going to KO Fury in one round :lol: So I'm more than comfortable being at odds with your opinion. You're a joke.
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Dempsey had a similar number of fights when he was pummeled by John Lester Johnson. Are you going to say Dempsey was in his prime?
    He was 20 years old yet to fully develop, was very green, had not faced anyone on the level of Satterfield, had "very little sparring" and took the fight on a 2 day notice. Even his manager said the following "so we took the gamble. I know satterfield is a helluva puncher and he's got a big edge in experience"

    I have 2 questions for you.

    1. how do you think Marciano does, under the same set of circumstances. At 20 years old (at which point he hadn't even been pro), taking a fight on a 2 day notice, against a monster puncher in Satterfield?

    2. What do you think of Williams win over a 23 year old Terrell?

    Please enlighten me how a man with "an abysmal record" could become the #3 rated fighter in the world at one point? I'm in the mood for a good laugh :lol:

    Please show me where I said, Williams had a better record than Rocky.

    Rocky had the better record, but he also didn't have the misfortune of sharing an era with a peak Liston and Peak Ali, two top ten H2H fighters, much less when he had nearly died from a bullet wound and suffered permanent partial paralysis.

    lol
     
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  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, he'd taken the Satterfield fight on a 2 day notice, and had done "very little sparring" in those 2 weeks. As a matter of fact, he'd done no sparring until 2 days before the fight. Their is no way you can fully prepare for a fight, physically nor mentally, in 2 days, let alone for a caliber of opponent you'd never faced before.
     
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