Rocky Marciano vs Cleveland Williams

I could see Rex Layne outfighting Williams to a knockout or a decision. I could also see Williams doing the same. That seems to be a much closer matchup rather than Marciano vs Williams...

 

You are an idiot. I didn't bring up my size until YOU brought it up by insulting ME first. Go back and check the thread. Not one of my posts was about my height or weight until you called me a "little runt" lol.

I don't need to lie about my size, I am literally the same height and weight as Liston and my reach is close at 80'. It says it on my state issued ID. Why are you so insecure that you're bringing this up a week later in a completely separate thread? Little man syndrome?

The reality is I exposed you for someone who just wants to argue. If someone clarifies what they meant and you insist that they meant something else you are being quarrelsome and argumentative on purpose. You couldn't refute what I was saying so you played a bunch of word games and used ad hominems like a teenage girl. I will apologize and cashapp you $50 if you can convince people that I said strength training was bad for boxers. I don't think I edited any of my posts in that thread and I even quoted myself so people could see it. Go on. If you have the testicles. If not, keep my name out your damn mouth. I'm here to discuss boxing and all you want to do is get side tracked in pissing contests to prove how smart you are (hint: you aren't as clever as you think you are). Grow the **** up.

My record on this forum speaks for itself. I know I can have a sharp tongue, but I don't lash out or insult people the moment they disagree with me I only get harsh if you intentionally act facetious, dig your heels in with idiotic debunked examples, or insult me first. I have even publicly apologized to people before for my actions. There are several people on this forum who can bear witness that I have agreed to disagreed without insulting them. YOU seem to stand out as one of a small handful of troublesome individuals who insists on trying to annoy me.

So my suggestion is that you either accept the above mentioned challenge to prove I said what you claim I said or STFU. If not I will simply put you on ignore. This is my last time addressing you on anything not related to boxing.

 

Sounds like I really rattled you. I wrote a few sentences and you responded with a short essay which I won't bother to read all the way. You're a delusional boy that has the same narrative in every argument you get in.

 

A 20 year old rookie taking a fight on 2 days notice against a hard hitting veteran isn't a valid excuse? You do realize that there are multiple hall of fame fighters in history who lost to worse opponents than Satterfield? I mean Ali lost to Spinks who had 7 fights and it wasn't on a 2 days notice. Tyson lost to a 42-1 underdog who got stopped by Tucker whom Tyson already beat. Liston lost to Marty Marshall. Tim Witherspoon lost by brutal early KO to James Smith, a guy he easily beat previously. I could go on and on.

Getting shot and losing tons of blood and sections of the intestines isn't valid excuse for performing worse? That's why he doesn't have a "whole career" to show his accomplishments. You do realize many of the best opponents he faced were AFTER his injuries and surgery such as Foster, Ali, etc? When he was in his prime he did alright for himself. Not hall of fame worthy, but he was a good B level fighter with good overall power and athleticism. It's a fact that his career got cut short and he didn't have great management. No one is claiming he was some elite A class h2h monster.

 

This is bull****. Dempsey's scoring was ridiculous in the second Charles fight but Layne deserved to win that one. It was close but Layne was the better fighter that night. I have the entire fight. Also calling him physically weak is equally ridiculous. His strength and mauling style were his two greatest assets. And again, while he admittedly didnt like to train that doesnt encompass his entire career. Wins over Satterfield, Walcott, and Charles **** all over anything on Williams' resume. He knocked out Satterfield in a shootout, buried Walcott before Walcott was champion, and won a deserved decision over Charles. Losing two razor thin decisions to the Bob Baker when Baker was the best he ever was is nothing to scoff at either.

 

You just proved my point idiot. You're a cowardly, insecure little girl who just wants to argue. Thank you for proving my point and exposing that you don't have the balls to actually put your claims to the test of public opinion. I directly challenged you and you backed off to just continue using insults. Guys like you can't actually challenge someone directly whether it's physically or mentally so you just take a snipe.

Chess, not checkers.

I put my own reputation on the line publicly challenging you to expose me if I'm lying but you wouldn't go for it--which tells me you're full of it and a coward. A "delusional" individual wouldn't do that, they would be too afraid to put themselves out there. Might want to look the word up before you accuse someone of misusing terms.

To the ignore list you go.

 

Thank God.

 

Great effort getting this thread to 5 pages. The Marciano vs Williams thread from the other week ran to 9 pages. Let’s see if we can better that guys!!

I say Kid Matthews beats Williams too just to diverge further as the Rex Layne tangent has done. That should be worth at least a couple more pages.

 

You said the following correct?

Yet in another thread about The Big Cat, you used testimonies from his opponents to praise his punching power.

Why would you compile a list of testimonies from his opponents about his power if they mean as little as you make them out to be?

Furthermore when someone questioned the credibility of those opponents testimonies, you even went as far to say this

So why do Williams' opponents testimonies only have weight when you want them to? And which of those opponents aside from Liston "destroyed" him as you claimed? Double standard and dishonesty of breath-taking proportions!

 

You picked him to win in the FIRST ROUND which I've noticed you refuse to acknowledge.

He was also taken the distance, and lost virtually every other round, and was rendered to a controversial draw, most thought he didn't deserve. You also laughably called Wilder an ATG.

You've exceeded even my worst notions about you. You are a laughably biased stubborn, dishonest, hypocritical POS and YDKSAB.

 

If you want to see someone who "waxes poetic", go check out Dubblechin's post (who I was responding to, NOT YOU) where he calls Wilder an ATG. Until then **** OFF.

 

@Gazelle Punch I answered your question (which contrary to your claims, you never asked me on previous threads), now please answer mine; How does a man with an "abysmal record" magically garner a #3 rating?

 

Oh wait, so now you need an invitation to respond to a post on this forum? Ill remember that the next time your weird obsession with a mediocre overhyped heavyweight overloads your ass and you troll me because I dont worship at his altar,

 

Neither Williams or Quarry beat Machen though. So this logic won’t work here.

where is the evidence for this? You have filmed evidence of Williams knocking out a comparably rated fighter to Rex Layne when Satterfeild fought him? Come back to me when you do.

 

How about Big Don? Even He might be worth a punt against Williams?

I do think Williams might beat Keene Simmons though. Perhaps on points.