I thought this obsession with muscle ended in the 90s. Its why guys like stallone and lungren and Arnie were always actors who were laughed at. ok lungren might have had some pedigree once.
You would think a muscle obsession ended in the 90s wouldn't you? But put a good muscular fighter against a great lighter guy from the past and a lot of folks take the muscles every time. Even on this forum!
It's not muscles. It is strength. Sometimes, the two do go hand-in-hand. And it wasn't Jack Dempsey complaining about how physically weak Layne was and how he wasn't training. Manny Seamon- "In all my time as a handler of fighters, I have never seen a guy so badly out of shape as Layne." And let's put an asterisk next to Layne's W over Charles... please. Dempsey, the sole arbiter, scored it 2-1-7.
What fight did Manny say that about Rex Layne? In later fights Layne was over 205lb. Yet as a journeyman in 1955 Rex still took #1 contender Bob Baker to a split decision. I brought up muscle because somebody mentioned Layne was flabby at 192lb. As if to dismiss size only when it comes to older boxer's. It's like modern boxers excess weight equals muscle...and that is seen as a good thing? I am asking (if the extra weight itself of David Haye as a heavyweight is so much of an issue) why does nobody give a heavier version (by modern standards say) of Rex Layne a much better chance of beating Rocky?
If you took a poll of 190-lb boxers, how many do you think would rather step in the ring against the 210-220lb version of David Haye instead of the 190-200lb version?
This is a good point. It often works both ways, how many bigger guys feel they need to be quite so heavy against a lighter guy? I seem to remember John Ruiz had no trouble coming in lighter for Roy Jones. Donny Lalonde came in low for Leonard. Ali came in lower for Cooper than any other challenger. How many guys would allow their opponents to wear smaller gloves than they do? Fighters are often fussy about what type of gloves are used. There are so many factors and so many things a fighter might prefer to decide upon. Weight is one factor.
we were discussing muscle, which is what people discuss when they are playing the weight card. Or you may prefer to argue body fat too. You are welcome to try.
Muscles and a good physique are always a great benefit. But there's a difference between developing a good physique by boxing related activity, versus lifting weights.
Stupid logic carries on to this day, I remember Tyson coming in at one of his heaviest weights against Lennox Lewis so it would make him stronger. Absolutely stupid idea from stupid people IMO.
wilder ha. the clown prince of HW titlists. so u must be a kliturd yeh, again arguing a loss is some kind of win if it suits your need.
Herol is so dense! He simply can't see that packing on an extra 250lb at the buffet table made Nichols' infamous check jab super deadly. If Wilder had given him time to get to the desserts Nichols would have destroyed him. Dustin Nichols wants his REMATCH!
Marciano would lure and feint Haye out of position and knock him clean out. Haye had bad balance , footwork and was open to left hooks.
