Rocky Marciano vs Floyd Patterson

Based on actual achievements I still place Marciano higher than Patterson , but one must wonder why did Marciano retire that early .
Marciano was down against worn Moore and Cream , yes , they were bigger than himself , especially Cream , but Patterson went the distance twice in 2 close fights with Quarry whom stopped Shavers and Mac Foster , outpointed Lyle and Buster Mathis. Patterson was 10 years older than Quarry. Patterson also went the distance with Jimmy Ellis and Oscar Bonavena , all of which were younger than himself and good fighters in their own right. Patterson also went 2(2):1(1) against Ingemar Johnson .
So despite the names on Marciano's record were bigger , he faced fighters about his own size which were also older , as opposed to Patterson whom faced primarily younger and bigger opponents.
So if once I considered Marciano as the greater fighter , I doubt it now , and wonder why did Marciano retire so early ? was it because of Patterson ? a way of ducking ?

 

If Patterson boxes he'd get brutalised imo

 

Did he box Sonny Liston ? but Marciano is no Sonny Liston , not H2H at least (P4P Marciano is actually better , just to remove any doubts).

 

I don't get your point. He didn't really do anything against Sonny Liston, he just got ruined.

 

Thanks GA, goto love Rocky's enthusiasm :good

 

My point was that he tried to fight , but Marciano was no Liston for physical reasons and would have met someone of his own caliber had he fought Patterson , and then who knows how it would have ended ?

 

I remember in the past you've talked about, I take you've moved away from that stance? I still think it says allot for Floyd that he could avoid getting countered byu a counter puncher like Moore.

Agree with the rest of your post

 

Princess, you're a twat. Go back to the general forum where you belong.

 

No, just you and Princess. Everyone else approaches the subject with rational thought, no matter how strong their like for Rocky. Now go get your shine box or better yet continue to tamper with my posts. I guess that's what you do when you cant get laid. Then again, there's always Princess.

 

Please do. Nothing proves how small minded you are better than your own posts.

 

Floyd proved a great deal in the Johanssen trilogy, firstly he's fighting a 200lb puncher who brutally did this to Machen, who Liston couldn't stop:

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He proved massive heart, in the first fight he got knocked down 7 times in the 3rd round and got up every time before the ref stopped it. That proves his heart, chin, despite his inexperience showing a lack of survival skills. Then in the rematch with all the demons of the first fight in his head he takes Johanssons right hand but outspeeds and outfights his nemesis, what a great win.

Then he takes him on again, gets up from 2 KDs, to knock his man out again. That showed his survival skills and ability to fight back had improved. Then he takes on the man everyone including his own managed said he should avoid in Sonny Liston, after those 3 wars, takes Liston on twice.

Everyone talks about his speed/skills but underrate his balls/heart/chin/power. He gets massively underrated from his Liston fights, Liston looked to have 50lbs on Patterson, I'm suprised there was only 20-25lbs between the 2. He couldn't beat Sonny outside because of the reach or at close range due to the strength/power disadvantage. And no I don't think Rocky hits quite as hard as Liston. Against Marciano he wouldn't have those size disadvantages and could make a better fight of it

 

Patterson just didn't have any options against Liston. Against Marciano, he could at the very least try to box him as he does have the height/reach advantage, and could do well in spots while engaging Marciano with sheer handspeed and a fair amount of power.

Keep in mind that Patterson never did get knocked down after round 4, and I wouldn't necessarily put all the money on Rocky getting Patterson out of there inside 4 rounds, though it could certainly happen.

 

Oh ok, my opinion is that Marciano would deal with Patterson's boxing ability pretty well and stop him.

 

1. Johansson is nowhere near as good as Marciano. Don't forget that. Marciano was a lot closer to Liston, than johansson was to Marciano.

2. Johansson utterly destroyed patterson in their first fight. very badly. This never happened to Marciano. In fact, Marciano never lost!

3. Rocky doesn't hit quite as hard as liston, but it close. He is also close in strength. Rocky of early 1950s slugger version could dispatch patterson in 1-2 rounds. That version of Rock had proven all time one punch power.

4. Patterson will go toe to toe with the Rock. You honestly think floyd stands a chance of lasting toe to toe with Rocky?

5. Patterson was floored by many gooftroopers throughout his career. Marciano was only floored twice for flash knockdowns by hall of fame champions. Difference between Rock and the Gooftroopers are if rocky puts patterson down, he will finish him. Rocky is an all time finisher.

Bingo. Against Rocky, he will also be at a clear strength/power disadvantage on the inside. As well as durability/stamina.



Marciano, Frazier, Louis, Dempsey, Tyson? All too much for Patterson to handle.

 

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I still pick Marciano though.