Rocky Marciano vs. Floyd Patterson

Walcott was 38 years old and to even include Joe Louis shows how shitty his record is, Do you include the Holmes victory as a significant win in Iron Mikes career? Rocky came at the right time he knew it and just when there was a new wave of young promising heavyweight were coming along he retires instead of proving his worth

 

liston wouldve won every single fight rocky has ever been in no doubt about it, old louis, old walcott, bunch of light heavyweight wouldve been destroyed againt sonny liston along with rocky

 

Yeah Walcott was 38 but similar to guys like Archie Moore and Bernard hopkins he was still on top of his game at that age - and he was winning his fight against Marciano until he got knocked out. Louis was still a top contender and on a 8 fight winning streak since his loss to Charles a year before including a wins over Bivins and Savold. The Louis Marciano fought was still better than the Holmes Tyson fought.
Which young hws? Patterson was still at lhw and his trainer Cus D'Amato said he won´t fight at hw as long Marciano fights there. And Liston was 10-1 when Marciano retires. Which talented young hws?

 

Well, that´s an oppinion, can´t argue that, but where´s the back-up?

 

I like Floyd, but I don't think he can take what Rocky can dish out, unlike the reverse.

 

johanssons right more powerful than rocky's suzyQ?? No way. Ingo never put guys out cold with one punch, it took him many many punches to put away machen and patterson. marciano put durable top guys like layne and walcott out with 1 right hand, thats all he needed.

 

I do think marciano is very close in ability. Liston is my # 3 heavyweivght of all time, and one of my favs. marciano is # 5 heayvweight of all time, and one of my favs.

I think Liston wins a close unanimous decision over rocky. rocky does not get knocked out in two rounds, rocky was too durable and liston stylistically was not THAT agressive. liston was a smart technical fighter who loves to sit back and outbox his opponent from long range, liston only traded when his opponent forced the issue, and marciano utlizing his low crouch and cool calm approach would be difficult, but you can expect by mid rounds both fighters would be trading leather back and forth, both fighters possibly going down....listons jab will do a lot of damage. rocky will close the show late, but listons early point lead will be too much.


I see you rate liston well, which is good, but i dont think you understand what a beast rocky marciano was. watch film of rocky when he was young and in his prime in 1951-1952.

 

close to his prime? he was 33 balding, had looked slower physically and had lost some power in his punch by 1954. watch film of rocky 1951-52 vs joe louis and rex layne and walcott, you will see the difference in change by 1955.

 

let me ask you.......do you think rocky would have lost to 175lb marty marshall and got his jaw broken?

 

You got any sources to back that up? Rocky had many different reasons for retiring...and one that was defintley not the issue was fear. In fact rocky was fearless, even challenging liston in a street fight in 1960 when rock was old and fat. He didnt care if he would win or lose, he just wanted to go to war! because thats the way rocky thinks! hes fearless! Rocky saw patterson fight, and wanted to set a fight up with patterson, but Cus Damato TURNED DOWN rocky marciano saying in 1956 "patterson is a year away from being ready". rocky wasnt about to wait a year so he retired.


Now take note you said "young promising heavyweights' were coming up, but fact remains when rocky retired 40 year old archie moore was viewed by boxing world as the "outstanding heavyweight contender and overwhelming favorite to take rocky marcianos crown" - ring magazine. The young fighters like machen folley, liston johannson did not start to emerge until 1957-1958 when rocky was in fact LONG retired. none of these men had the experience or high enough rating to hope to compete with rocky in 1955-56.

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Yeah but Machen and Patterson were very durable guys. Liston was not able to stop Machen and beside Ingo only Frazier and another guy did that to him in two of his last three fights. And Patterson was only stopped by Liston who not only is a very big puncher, bigger than either Marciano or Johannson, but also a very bad match-up stylistically. Than he was stopped by Johannson who like you said landed plenty on Patterson. And was TKOed by Ali two times, and while Ali is not a huge puncher he has a record of stopping durable guys like Bonavena.
Yeah, Layne and Walcott were durable guys but Walcott was knocked out 5 times while Layne has a similar stoppage record to Patterson but against inferior opposition beside Marciano and Charles.
I would argue that Patterson and Machen are more durable than either Walcott and Layne and so it´s no shame needing more than one punch to get them out of there.
I think Johannson´s right was slightly harde one-punch wise than Marciano´s but overall Marciano was the harder and more damaging puncher.

So, while I don´t think you will agree here, I hope you see my point.

btw. nice job you did on those guys here. :deal

 

at 7-0? probably.

 

Liston was a massive heavyweight and as far as physical strength goes is probably top3 or 2 heavyweights of all time, Marciano was small and hitable, willing and able to take 1 to give 2 but with Liston who has superior reach, strength etc it would in my opinion be like duran hearns, duran being the superior fighter but styles make fights and duran loses to hearns 9 times out of 10

 

Everybody had a reach advantage and nobody was able to to hold Marciano of. When Ali and Marciano made the video for that computer superfight in the 60s, Ali said he was surprised how hard Marciano was to hit and Marciano was retired for ages at this time.