rocky marciano vs jack johnson

Johnson toyed with Burns who beat Hart.

 

Yeah, i always find it downright hilarious when people pick a Rocky, Shavers, Jackson, Lyle type over turn of the century fighters on the sole basis of them being more 'scientific' or advanced.... And Seamus, please don't act like you don't go after a fighters poor performances either.

As for the matchup, interesting for reasons others have mentioned above. I think Johnson was pretty much without peer at crushing come forward fighters, and certainly had similar strength to the rock. I'm quite concerned with Johnson's core blocking-based defense. Letting a guy like Marciano batter your arms and shoulders for 15+(and Rock could go 15+) is a bad proposition. Eventually your guard will drop, and then it's game over. I can see Rocky also eating uppercut after uppercut, and certainly he would be hurt, older and smaller men did the same so Johnson could as well.

I have to say that I think I've got the Rock here, in his era or Johnsons. He has the stamina, functional strength, power, and workrate to get it done eventually, by knockout.

 

Langford was 156lbs Johnson 185, both were 20lbs short of their optimum weights, but Langford was much more experienced ,having had 50 fights.
Prime for prime I think Johnson beats Langford comprehensively and ,emphatically.
Prime for prime, I think Langford gives Marciano life and death.

 

But inaccurate.

 

On the verge of being TKO stopped by charles in first fight? Come on Mcvey, you don't actually believe that bs do you?

 

Still, neither Langford at 156 or McVea (at any weight) or Hart were a match for Marciano. They just do not provide good analogies for discussion.

On the converse, I believe Jersey Joe and Lastarza do provide an inkling as to how Marciano would deal with Johnson. And that inkling tells us that a) he would have trouble in the early goings and b) he would wear down Johnson well enough to make an opening. Now, if this were 10 rounds, we might have a different discussion on our hands.

 

Tell me again when somebody "wore out Johnson" when he wasn't 37 and in Cuba facing a man who dwarfed Rocky in all physical categories?

 

My mistake, I meant the second fight.

"Marciano was in danger of being stopped when his nose was split cut wide open. Marciano stopped Charles in the 8th Round. This fight was named 1954 Ring Magazine Fight of the Year."

 

He made the claim that Rock would wear Johnson down... I was only trying to figure out if he was actually basing this on a fight of Johnson's? Not sure how that equates to me saying I hasn't happened so it couldn't...

 

I love Johnson but remained deeply puzzled by the Hart fight ... even if Johnson deserved a wide decision, he was still in a very competitive fight with Marvin Hart .... If Hart's strength was aggression, stamina and ability to take punishment and he extended Johnson I see Rocky putting up a much better fight ... I just can't figure the Hart fight in Johnson's equation ...

 

How about Marciano against Ted Lowry? Lowry was 58-48-9 some thought he deserved the nod.
Lowry was the archetypal journeyman,Hart was at least a Champion,albeit not one of the best.

 

I have to consider Marciano no earlier than the point where he mastered the hook as a knockout weapon, against Louis and Matthews. (He's clearly still awkward with it against Layne.) Likewise, it's probably not fair to consider Johnson prior to Burns and Jeffries.

Jack was sometimes inclined to loaf, a deadly mistake against somebody noted for never taking it easy. Johnson's power against legitimate heavyweight competition of quality like Moran, Willard, Kaufman, and even Jeffries, may be called into question. He could look deadly against Burns, Ketchel and Flynn, but the Rock was somebody who trained down from the weight he competed in high school as a gridiron center lineman. (Fireman Flynn started out competing at 160, over 50 pounds lighter than Rocky when Marciano first took up boxing.)

Lil' Artha's physical strength wouldn't be the usual advantage here. P4P, Marciano may have been the strongest of all the HW Champions, working assiduously from boyhood to deliberately make himself the strongest kid on the block. (Chuvalo was also like this growing up, and even Foreman had to move on the granite Canadian.)

While Johnson might try neutralizing Rocky physically, the comparably sized Layne also attempted to do this, and utterly failed.

 

i really am having a tough time with a pick. i think it'd be a very ugly fight. lots of clinching. langford would be the opponent i would compare marciano to but sam was way smaller than the rock when he fought johnson. it's a pick em fight imo.

 

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