rocky marciano vs larry holmes

Awful logic here fellas.

Every puncher gets taken the distance at some point, and every puncher gets taken into later rounds by lesser fighters.

The fact that a lesser fighter did it, does not mean that the fighter in question is incapable of stopping somebody better/more durable.

Rocky Marciano has one of the three highest KO%s of any lineal heavyweight champion.

He could probably stop anybody in the right circumstances!

 

Marciano couldn't get past Louis's jab which Rocky admitted ,because he was always truthful .Joe's legs went on him and left him a sitting duck . Holmes would not be 37 years old he would be prime!

 

The more I think about this, the more I come to the conclusion that Marciano doesn't win a single round and is pulled sometime around the 7th or 8th when he starts getting knocked down.

Against the "best" of Marciano's middling opponents, who were smaller, older, shopworn types, he played the long game. If you think a prime Holmes (or really any version up till the last few fights) would allow Marciano to set up shop in his preferred range you are living a fantasy. Not only was Holmes drastically longer, quicker and more mobile than Marciano, hold onto your hats here, he's just as tough and probably hit just as hard when he cranked over that right hand. However, Holmes did not need to play the power/attrition game because his talents allowed other opportunities. And because of this and the style he chose, his career lasted almost 30 years not 7 years, 30 years of earning paychecks while minimizing damage, not 7 years of brawling that diminished his capacity to continue earning. That is why we don't think of Holmes as a power puncher.

 

What's awful is you stating nobody could take Rocky's power .
I gave you a list of names of guys that did ,and you come back with ,"every puncher gets taken the distance at some point! "
Of course they do but you are the only one stating," nobody could take his power," and I've given you examples of guys some of them third raters who did in fact take his power! Holmes took Shavers power he would take Marciano's.
The real question here is, can Marciano stand up to the 81inch jab in his face round after round?
Now Ill shock you. If Moore can drop and stun Marciano, so can Holmes!
And Larry's legs won't go on him halfway through the fight ,and he is used to battling it out with talented big guys that can hit.

 

That is just as well, because he was decidedly deficient in power compared to Marciano!

 

To be honest with you, if you are consistently taking hits from any hard punching heavyweight, then something is going to give eventually.

that is just being realistic!

 

He took the punches of good bangers like
Smith
Norton
Weaver
Shavers
Cooney
Witherspoon
And he beat them ,why wouldnt he take Marciano's power? Explain it to me?

 

I don't agree at all. Holmes had easier, more lucrative ways to shape his career. Marciano had no choice but to fight as he did. And many times, he still needed to walk thru a thresher to deliver enough punishment to take care of his opponent. And as well noted, these were not the sized opponents that Holmes dealt with.

 

Willis Applegate out of the ring for 2 years prior to the fight went t he distance without even being floored!
Don Mogard
Ted Lowry 178lbs never floored in 20rds
These men were at best journeymen. They took his power
188lbs Charles took his power for 15 rds and didn't even go down!
Explain to me why Holmes wouldn't be able to ?

 

Because of the way that Marciano would apply it.

Systematic pressure, and sustained attrition over the course of the fight, as opposed to trying to land one big shot.

But that aside, if you take enough punches from any of these guys you are gone!

 

So how did this fight end exactly then?

 

We don't have footage of these fights, so we don't know exactly what was happening.

My point is, there is a big difference between lasting the distance against somebody, and being able to take their power!

Charles was a technical boxer, who managed to fight enough of a defensive game in the pocket, to last the distance.

Just because he was able to do it, it doesn't mean that Holmes would be able to do it!

We could go through Holmes's record, and list the people that he failed to stop.

The bottom line is that Rocky Marciano has the highest KO% of any lineal champion (I think).

If I am right, then he was more successful at stopping his opponents, than any other lineal champion in history!

 

I also find is vaguely comical that a number of people are confidently picking a stoppage based on cuts!

Yes Marciano could get cut, but he wasn't a Wepner or Cooper style bleeder.

I don't think that he was ever close to losing a fight due to a cut caused by a legal punch.

A cuts stoppage is by definition a relatively unusual event, and not the sort of thing that you take best on!

 

A few numbers for those criticizing Marciano for failing to stop this bum and that bum:

Rocky Marciano 88%

George Foreman 84%

Wladamir Klitschko 77%

Mike Tyson 76%

Joe Louis 75%

Lennox Lewis 73%

Sonny Liston 72%

Larry Holmes 59%

I have never been a fan of KO% as a measure, but Rocky Marciano was clearly very successful at stopping his opponents, compared to other lineal champions!

 

We're not just talking about ANY jab we're talking about the best jab of all time! With a foot reach advantage and a huge speed advantage! You are trolling at this point. Explain how rocky gets past holmes jab if he couldn't get past an old Louis jab or stop replying to me!