rocky marciano vs larry holmes

Lmao I swear these people have only watched a highlight or two of Marciano. A jab ain’t stopping him. Men with great footwork gave him problems. The jabs were a non factor.

 

Easy. He crouched making his opponent over commit to the jab setting them up in his range. He counters with over hand rights or hooks. Or crowds his opponents CONSTANTLY. He was so good at this some fighters resorted to game planning that they fight him on the inside. EC did a great job working his body. Layne failed miserably. I don’t see how Holmes could possibly win on the inside and his footwork although good wasn’t as good as Walcott’s and that didn’t bode well for him. I’d also say walcott had similar stamina to Holmes. I may add Marciano was very green for the Louis fight his crouch was not yet perfected and although he used it a little his style was nothing compared to what he would be two years later.

 

Wesley was too busy hustling on the court with Woody in Watts. Woody guaranteed victory so it's ok. Rosie Perez wasn't having anymore of it.

 

Holmes wouldn't have to fight on the inside. He didn't overcommit with his jab, he was very relaxed and popped it out from a weird angle below the waist. Golden feather already explained how Holmes' style is frustrating because you THINK he's open for a right but because his Ieft and right hands are in totally different levels you have to watch out for both and it makes a guy tense. The minute rocky stops paying attention to the right to focus on dodging the left, he gets nailed hard. Holmes had a very crisp and accurate laser like right straight.

If Rocky presses the issue crouching constantly and forcing his way in he's gonna get pelted with a barrage of lefts and if he somehow takes those, he will get clipped by the uppercut.

You and janitor still havent explained how the 68' reach rocky gets past a prime Holmes #1 in the division jab when his face was busted up by an old Louis jab. Last time im gonna ask.

 

It's simple.

Holmes holds all the tangibles of skill, talent and athleticism... AND the intangibles of heart, ring intelligence and carriage.

This is a total whitewash.

 

Either slip it, or if necessary just take it to get inside, just like against everybody else.

If Holmes's only plan was to stick a jab in his face, then he might as well not bother turning up, because he doesn't have the power to keep Marcioano off him!

 

What makes you say Walcott had better footwork than Holmes? And Holmes has much better stamina than the old Walcott who was visibly gassed a few rounds into his fight against Marciano.

Marciano never encountered an athlete like Holmes, a skilled, talented big man who could fire off jabs on the move while keeping his distance. Holmes isn’t some ancient Walcott standing around in Marciano’s punching range, hoping to land a lead right before Rocky lands his.

 

I feel you're forgetting the Holmes uppercut.

 

All true. Shavers and Cooney hit harder than Marciano, period.

I see Larry doing a lot of jab-right-clinching (pretty much what he'd do against Tyson, too).

Every time Rocky gets inside he nearly gets his head taken off by the uppercut. Then he has it worse with the jab at long range.

Referee stops it as Rocky is getting the patented Holmes-hail-of-rights and is helpless in the corner.

 

Holmes stamina wasn’t exactly praised through out his career. Walcott was getting gassed because of the constant pressure. Just as Holmes would. I’d also state Holmes never met an athlete like Marciano that never stopped punching for 15 rounds.

 

You’re referring to a non prime Marciano in the Louis fight. He also dominated that fight. The fact that he looked swollen or cut up means nothing when you’re swollen and cut up after every fight. Result was the same that it would be for Holmes. Holmes taking a long nap. People have already explained his crouch and lean style and how affective it was in regards with dealing with his reach deficiencies. Marciano wasn’t a one trick pony. Had power in both hands, could fight on the outside, inside, midrange. Had a great chin. The question you should be asking is could Holmes handle 15 rounds of constant pressure from Marciano? I don’t think his stamina would allow that.

 

They haven't explained and they won't.
Marciano is a mythical chimera to them,he would find a way!

 

Marciano would not bring any more pressure than Norton did , compared to whom he was a midget!

 

I like the way your post reads...but can we really question Holmes' stamina when he went 15 HARD rounds (winning the 15th) against Norton, scraped himself off the floor to stop both Snipes and Shavers late in the fight, taking Cooney's hardest punches (including some of the most concussive shots to the groin in boxing history) and then taking him out in the 13th...

Sounds to me like LH had all kinds of stamina. He would usually take a little break each fight...so does pretty much every fighter. He always came roaring back.

So, all respect because I like your posts, your stamina theory doesn't hold up imo.

 

And Marciano might not have been a greater puncher than Norton, size considered.

I have massive respect for Rocky's achievements, but the people he beat were all past their prime, and if guys like Walcott (past his prime) could give him as much trouble as he did, Larry would wipe the floor with him.

Again, no offense or disrespect to Rocky's fans. You all have plenty of right to back your man up, Rocky was great. Undeniable top 10 ATG imo.