rocky marciano vs larry holmes

The only other person who stopped Joe Walcott anywhere close to his prime was Joe Louis, and he needed to hit him with everything except the kitchen sink.

Somebody was bound to have stopped Charles and Moore more quickly, based on the sheer number of fights they had, and the level of their opposition.

The only other person to stop Joe Louis was Max Schmeling.

Nobody else KO'd Rex Layne until two years later when he was on the losing end of most of his big fights.

Nobody stopped LaStarza previously, and he was clearley on the slide when it next happened.

Perhaps you are making a bit too much of this line of argument.

 

I will go one further....

When the likes of Joe Louis & Ali are being discussed, those that sing their praises are from a mixed spectrum of race, religion & age.

Those that so vehemently defend Marciano are from a very select group of the above.

Therein lies the difference.

 

Could you please describe the select group?

 

Certainly....

Caucasian & predominately aged 40 +, although we do have the odd guy under this age, but very few.

Now before anyone screams race card, I myself am Caucasian.

 

He headbutted, hit below the belt, hit after the bell and did all sorts of fouls to get the lastarza stoppage. I can only give him so much credit for being 1 of 2 man to "stop" lastarza.

He hit cokkel while he was down and swung for the fences yet other men stopped a much younger less worn out cokkel faster.



Charles and moore were stopped quicker BEFORE they wete older and on the slide against marciano. Why do his fans always overlook this?

Savold was knocked out, not stopped, knocked out clean by at least 5 other boxers. Rocky couldnt floor him.

Walcott was 38 with 70 fights and several years worth of built up wear and tear. Took the supposedly devastating puncher marciano 13 rounds--again, others did so much faster. He retired after facing marciano and didnt fancy his chances of continuing his career, what does that tell you? Sure in terms of skill and experience he was in his mental "prime" and was the legitimate champion but thay goes to show jow horrible the era was. You cannot just ignore the fact a younger, fresher walcott was stopped several times in a quicker fashion by supposedly inferior boxers!

I'll give him the layne and Louis KO's, however Louis was a shell of himself, 37 and retired right afterwards so how great of a ko is it honestly? Schmeling fought a much younger louis who was on a ko streak stopping the previous hw champions.

Im not making too much of this at all and others agree with me, including Nat Fleischer! He was a sloppy slugger and fought sub par, older worn out fighters. Credit to him for being a brave, hard working, in shape fighter and beating the best opponents available, but the opponents available would have likely been demolished inside 2 rounds by several other champions whom people insist rank below marciano in the atg rankings!

 

Holmes UD.

 

This has to be the most odd take on power I’ve ever seen. I guess Tyson was a feather fisted attrition puncher. I mean Douglas was knocked out five times by other men and Tyson couldn’t even knock him out. Holmes and Ali must have had zero power couldn’t even finish Shavers. Who was knocked out in 1 round by feather fisted quarry!!! Can you believe these men had any KOs considering shavers was knocked out seven times in his career? We could go on and on and on in any faction of boxing greats. Should we do chin durability next? Cmon you have to know styles makes fights otherwise I don’t think you’re being honest.

 

Larry wouldn't wilt great body attack,Larry ko over 10

 

Vanilla?

 

Silly post.
How many times a man is kod has absolutely no bearing on how much power he possesses.
Holmes stopped Shavers in their second fight. Quarry was a good banger and he broke Shavers jaw.
Correction,not a silly post ,a stupid one!

 

No one claimed Ali and Holmes were these amazing 1 punch ko artists. That's a pretty stupid counter argument.

Tyson is literally the opposite of marciano: he stopped several durable men in their primes and he did so faster than most common opponents (Tubbs, spinx, berbick, Holmes, Bruno, etc).

Yes styles make fights, and marcianos style was clearly that of a volume ouncher who breaks you down. That was my point from the beginning, that he's overrated as an ATG puncher and that his opponents weren't particularly dificult to stop by his own eras standards!

 

I am curious to know exactly what style of fighter you would sent in to beat Larry Holmes?

What you are describing Marciano as, seems to be a pretty good choice to me!

 

I don't think that we particularly disagree about Marciano's style in terms of strengths/weaknesses.

We probably disagree more about where it leaves us, in terms of our overall conclusions!

 

Ali and Holmes were excellent punchers. I feel like the standard as to what and who has power is a bit absurd within the classic forum. Marciano had power and threw at volume. He was terrible with accuracy why maybe some opponents lasted longer then they should have. Several stated he hit harder then Louis. Which alone should shut the argument down. He also knocked his opponents out at an average of 4 rounds which ranks top five I believe. Given some of the competition wasn’t great but let’s face it other then Ali and Louis and maybe Holyfield you can compare his record to anyone’s. Having scalps of three top ten p4p fighters on your list is an accomplishment. Despite the ages.

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I know I was being sarcastic in response to another post and I agree

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