Rocky Marciano vs Lennox Lewis

I was reciprocating to your efforts to evade the question..

 

How can you watch the Bowe - Golota fights and then say Golota couldn't punch..that's insane. As for Briggs, he could crack, just because he lost fights doesn't discount that. Shavers lost fights too and nobody is saying he can't punch.

As for Lewis' ability to absorb punches, sure, I'm happy to have that debate. I think the fact that Holyfield unquestionably landed many flush punches on Lewis and he held up well, speaks for itself, that was more than either Tyson or Bowe did. Mercer also hit Lewis flush repeatedly, as did Vitali, who has one of the best KO records of all time.

So what exactly are you arguing against?

The evidence speaks for itself. Nobody is saying Lewis is in the top echelon's of ATG's when it comes to his chin, but as a package, he was very formidable and if he had a "glass chin" he would have lost the 2nd Holyfield fight by KO, maybe even the 1st, as Holyfield threw everything he had into trying to KO Lewis in that 3rd round.

He also wouldn't have gotten out of the 2nd round against Vitali, never mind have won the fight.

So there's 3 victories off the top of my head I can point to where he wons precisely because he never had a glass chin, throw in the Mercer fight, and now you're talking 4 wins.

 

Do you have a point here? Because if you do, it escapes me.

 

I can agree with most of this, although I don't know if I would categorize Vitali and Holyfield as relatively good punchers. If you go by Vitali's record he was a hell of a lot more than that, and Holyfield dropped Bowe and beat Tyson, those aren't exactly chinny fighters.

 

So who fought more punchers REGARDLESS of quality, circumstance or result, Muhammad Ali or Lennox Lewis? Lets take a look.

Muhammad Ali:

1. Earnie Shavers
2. George Foreman
3. Joe Frazier
4. Sonny Liston
5. Floyd Patterson
6. Ken Norton
7. Mac Foster
8. Ron Lyle
9. Henry Cooper
10. Archie Moore
11. Trevor Berbick
12. Oscar Bonavena
13. Jerry Quarry
14. Bob Foster
15. Cleveland Williams

Lennox Lewis

1. Vitali Klitscko
2. David Tua
3. Hasim Rahman
4. Michael Grant
5. Shannon Briggs
6. Andrew Golata
7. Razor Ruddock
8. Gary Mason
9. Mike Tyson
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Oliver McCall
12. Tommy Morrison
13. Frank Bruno
14. Mike Weaver
15. Ray Mercer
16. Lionel Butler
17. Phil Jackson
18. Tony Tucker
19. Zeljko Mavrovic
20. Michael Simuwelu.

NOTE: Both lists contain fighters that may have been past prime, deconditioned or had iffy results.. Quality goes to Ali in terms of overall better fighters, but in terms of raw power I'd say its fairly close to even.. In terms of volume? Its basically a no brainer...

 

That's what I've been trying to say for 2 weeks now, you simpleton.

Yet you're the one who has Lewis losing by KO to every fighter you start a thread on precisely because of his chin.

Maybe you're finally learning something.

 

How about another comparison?

Evander Holyfield

1. Rid**** Bowe
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Michael Moorer
4. Michael Dokes
5. George Foreman
6. Ray Mercer
7. Alex Stewart
8. Hasim Rahaman
9. Dwight Qawi
10. Pinklon Thomas
11. Mike Tyson
12. Brian Neilson
13. Bert Cooper
14. James Douglas
15. Sultan Ibragimov.

Lennox Lewis

1. Vitali Klitscko
2. David Tua
3. Hasim Rahman
4. Michael Grant
5. Shannon Briggs
6. Andrew Golata
7. Razor Ruddock
8. Gary Mason
9. Mike Tyson
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Oliver McCall
12. Tommy Morrison
13. Frank Bruno
14. Mike Weaver
15. Ray Mercer
16. Lionel Butler
17. Phil Jackson
18. Tony Tucker
19. Zeljko Mavrovic
20. Michael Simuwelu.

NOTE: I was actually generous to Holyfield given that I personally consider buster and Iggy to be boxers more so than punchers, but go ahead and count em'.. Still Lewis faced more men who could crack.

 

Ali did not fight more and only arguably fought better than the best Lewis faced. The size and the strength of athletes that Lewis faced were greater across the board. This is practically irrefutable.

 

It means more power more often than less strength means more power.

 

I'm arguing that his chin isn't as bad as you portray it to be, and that combined with the rest of his skills he is an elite AGT fighter who H2H is either in the top 5 or close to it.