Rocky Marciano vs Lennox Lewis

I also think that fighting 12 active, fast-paced 3-minute rounds is a much tougher physical feat than fighting twice as many rounds at a slower pace.

 

Rocky would have performed the same regardless if he took protein powder because he got sufficient amount of protein in his era naturally. Also, weight training doesn't improve power in any way. A person who benches 500 pounds can punch the same as someone who benches 100 pounds.

 

Oh I would definitely agree, depending on the circumstances, but for the most part I would say it's true.

 

Absolutely. Try sprinting for five strait minutes one day then the next try running at a slow steady pace for a half hour and see which is more tiring.

 

I agree, but unfortunately a lot of fights aren't fast paced. Mayweather fights were a good example.

 

I never said that weight training would increase his punching power, I said it would enable him to bulk up to a heavier weight if he so desired. And I still believe this to be true. I personally agree with you that weight training does very little to increase punching power. That being said, I will no doubt be on the recieving end of flaming posts to the contrary. Regarding the protein powder, yes, you can get protein from natural food sources, but you also get the calories, fats, etc. that come along with it. A protein supplement delivers the protein of a steak without much less calories or fat or digestive activity. It is also much more conveneint to have post workout shake than a postworkout steak dinner.

 

Protein Powders are man made an contain all other kinds of harmful chemicals. They are mixed with the same mixer in the factory that steroids are. A steak contains much more vitamins and nutrients than protein powder. I'm not knocking protein powder but I don't really see its place in most sports other than weight lifting related sports. Real food is always better than any supplement. Also, you originally said that after weight training and supplements that anyone the rock hits is going down.

 

Norton always denied he used weights during his career.

 

Nobody said Marciano. I was discussing Norton, who was their poster boy. Soloflex was rose to prominence in the 70s.

Norton ran with dumbells in his hands as well, which is roughly same as a curl.

And I don't understand why when reading someone's post, you ignore the quoted text they are responding to.

 

Again, in 1976 in article describes him running with weights in his hands. He used weights, he maybe just didn't lift them in the truest sense.

The man gained 20 pounds of muscle in his late 20s, he was using some resistance training.

 

That may be so I am only commenting on what he said. He may not have classed the running as true weight training.
Archie Moore used to shadow box with a flat iron in each hand. Which presumably gave him those big biceps.

 

Resistance training isn't only weight training. You can build a pretty good physique off of just calisthenics, just look at some people in prison. As far as gaining 20 lbs of muscle, all you have to do is eat in a caloric surplus. Norton had no reason to lie about whether he lifted or not.

 

Sigh...

I understand all that.

There was an implication earlier in the thread that his weight gain was a natural phenom because he simply claimed to not lift weights.

As pointed out, he still used weights for resitance, and was a proponent of Soloflex body building.

 

Yeah that's what I think. He didn't count using weights for resistance as lifting.

 

I'm just completely confused for which side you are arguing for. You side with both in your posts. Illogical fallacy.