Rocky Marciano vs Primo Carnera

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Glass City Cobra, Mar 26, 2021.

How does it go?

  1. Primo KO

    6 vote(s)
    13.3%
  2. Primo TKO

    5 vote(s)
    11.1%
  3. Primo decision

    1 vote(s)
    2.2%
  4. Primo split decision

    1 vote(s)
    2.2%
  5. Draw

    2 vote(s)
    4.4%
  6. Rocky KO

    12 vote(s)
    26.7%
  7. Rocky TKO

    16 vote(s)
    35.6%
  8. Rocky decision

    2 vote(s)
    4.4%
  9. Rocky split decision

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Carnera: 6'5 85' reach 260 lbs
    Rocky: 5'10 68' reach 185 lbs

    15 round fight.

    Interesting factors:

    -Carnera fought a prime Max Baer for 11 rounds and what people forget is Carnera had a sprained ankle yet showed tons of heart getting up more than 10x. Carnera wasn't ever counted out and always got up.

    -Actually has a pretty good record against big heavyweights. For instance, he KO'd the 6'6 224 pound Victorio Campolo in just 2 rounds. KO'd 6'3 246 pound Pat Redmond in 1 round. 6'4 246 pound Sam Baker in 1 round. Quite a few guys who were 220+ and 6'3 and over who got brutally destroyed early are on his record so we know he had genuine heavyweight power.

    -Carnera knocked out the 6'2 207 pound Ernie Schaaf with a jab:



    He knocked out the slippery cagey Jack Sharkey with an uppercut.



    The three best ingredients for giving a short come forward aggressive fighter stylistic troubles are: a solid jab, a powerful uppercut, and good wrestling/clinching ability. Carnera had all 3. He also would be enjoying a tremendous advantage in height, reach, and physical strength.

    I had thought about this matchup, and unless Rocky lands A LOT of shots and thoroughly breaks Carnera down with non stop pressure (while avoiding getting hit too much himself), he is not winning this fight. Keep in mind Rocky had to throw everything but the kitchen sink at a 38 year old 188 pound Archie Moore and needed 4 knock downs to knock him out. Rocky ended up with a black eye trying to get past the jab of a 37 year old heavily shopworn Joe Louis. Rocky landed bomb after flush bomb on the chubby former middle weight Don Cokkel and couldn't manage to floor him until the 8th--after mixing in a few head butts and low blows. All 3 of these men had been badly hurt, stopped, or knocked out in multiple other fighters and weren't known for their durability and Rocky needed to land a high volume of shots to break them down.

    I pick Carnera to win by TKO within 10 rounds. Rocky lacks the speed, defense, and explosiveness to stop the Ambling Alp from bashing his face with his jab, smothering him, outwrestling him, and landing that heavy uppercut. Rocky's face would be a bruised mess, he'd be down on the cards, and he'd be down on the mat at least once before the ref has seen enough. Just a horrible clash of styles. Rocky, tough as he is, would not be able to impose his will with his usual volume punching and non stop aggression against a man with more than a foot in reach and more than 70 lbs of muscle over him.
     
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I predict the Italian guy wins.
     
  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  4. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    It depends.

    1) If Rocky figures out early that wiggling your arms in front of you isn´t a defensive stance in boxing, we see Carnera doing the jojo for a couple of rounds until TKO.
    2) If Carnera grabs and wrestles a little more after sneaking a punch in, the 70lb weight-advantage will make it hell harder for Rock to overcome. The question is: Will this win Carnera any rounds. Well, it very well could. And Rockys resume is 4-0 at 215lb+ HW. No fair bout for Rocco!

    1) + 2) --> For now, I´ll have it a draw.
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll say this. This is much more competitive and realistic than Marciano being matched up against the likes of Liston, Foreman, and Tyson.
     
  6. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    A 6'5.5" 260lb greek god who

    a) can hold
    b) likes to wrestle
    c) and might be as strong as he looks!

    is never an easy task for 5'10" attrition boxers pushing the action.
     
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  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Carnera has taken an early lead!
     
  8. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    What have you done?
     
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  9. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Rocky a smash the biga poloka in a 6!
     
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  10. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    A good big un beats a good little un.

    So Rocky wins because Carnera wasn't a good big un and Marciano was demonstrably a great little un.
     
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  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano destroys him. He could really, really actually fight. Carnera wasn’t as bad as advertised but he wasn’t that good either.

    I doubt a palooka who couldn’t hurt Tommy Loughran aside from standing on his feet could hurt Marciano and he doesn’t have the type of chin or defense that survives 15 rounds of relentless attack.
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When Carnera goes down he won’t be getting back up.
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That never happened. Carnera always got back up.

    Plenty of guys got back up facing Marciano. Some didn't go down at all.
     
  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I started a discussion that is way more competitive than people want to admit.
     
  15. Gazelle Punch

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    Not many got up. He wasn’t the type for flash knockdowns. Actually very few got back up. And those that did didn’t make the distance.
     
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