Rocky Marciano vs Primo Carnera

Is that the only way that you think that he could have beaten Walcott?

 

"The H2H GOAT"

 

lol, Walcott wa far more skilled than Primo, his footwork would have left him completely befuddled.

 

You’ve got a point. But kind of wasting your time arguing with that one...he doesn’t really care about facts. He just cares what like minded people that will echo his own thoughts think. Man Vitali is so much sloppier then I remember him. Although his punch mechanics are better then primos I take 70s opinion that primo was just as good as most contenders today or yesteryear. But less so then the upper echelon.

 

Right, you're saying what I'm saying.

Ali in the Berbick fight looks like Vitali in his prime. No really, watch the footage.

You seem to contradict yourself by saying that distance control is an intangible, but also a technical skill. That's an oxymoron. But we don't need to get caught up in the weeds here.

If you want to argue that keeping your hands below your waist is not a technical deficiency, fine. I'll give you this one.
Although this is one of the most common gripes "modernists" have with old school fighters who don't fight out of a high guard.

Well, chin. Carnera fell over because he got hit in the face. Otherwise, he looked fairly steady on his feet relative to HW giants like Vitali.

Let's recap the argument. The argument which you laid out is that fighters like Vitali exemplify an evolved version of the sweet science in comparison to Primo Carnera. Let's keep that in mind. So when you say "Yeah Vitali made mistakes, but Carnera made them too," that doesn't support your argument.

To help your argument, you need to demonstrate that Vitali displays an evolved version of the sweet science in comparison to Carnera.

And it's worth noting, that I don't believe Carnera stuck his chin out the way Vitali did. Primo seems to tuck his chin behind his long reach and back foot stance.

More effective? Probably.
Calling Carnera's punches "awkward" in comparison to Vitali's? No way in hell.
Vitali pushed, pawed (whatever you want to call it) his punches very often. Just watch his fights.
I don't see Vitali having more snap or finesse in his punches than Carnera. Rather, he punches better on intangible qualities such as power, timing, etc.

No. And this is why I've recapped your argument over and over. So we don't lose sight of the fact that this whole back and forth between young I stems from your claim that Vitali Klitschko displays an evolved version of the sweet science from Carnera. I've worded this carefully, and specifically, so as not to distort your claim.

If you don't want to stick with that argument, fine by me.

I would consider "just answer the question" to be demanding.
As for being intentionally intellectually dishonest, I would find that statement quite ironic, considering what you claim Vitali is as a boxer, versus what we see on film.

 

The farther removed in time we are from a fighters career, the better we see them for what they were.
We become less entangled in their personalities, their storylines, and all the jazz.

 

Hardly the Sweet Science is it.

The flipside tho is a guy like Larry Holmes or Ali would put as whooping on Vitali.

 

Oh my goodness it doesn't pass the eye test because his style is awkward. He is far more skilled than carnera. On eyesight alone he looks like trash but his EE style is deceiving. Its cherrypicking because you're picking his worse looking moments. Watch the Corrie Sanders fight and you can see the skill and see the talent. He evaded multiple fast straight punches because as I've said his sloppy awkward style is deceiving. He can use his freakish physical dimensions well unlike Carnera and afford to lean back due to his skill unlike Carnera, he picks his shots far better than Carnera as well.

You can also look at a past prime Klitschko comfortably outboxing prime Arreola. Because his style is deceiving. His movement, ring iq, and reflexes are levels above Carnera if you analyze both styles carefully. He was also great at parrying. Add to the fact that you're average world class heavyweight is 6'4 235-240 pounds nowadays and more cordinated than the likes of Max Baer and you can piece it together. Im tired of the Klitschko slander. He would have severely ourclassed Carnera.

You guys are more informed about boxing how do you not see this

 

lol

 

Could he not beat Tomato can Breazele?

 

Why do you quote me when you don't touch things I said in my post? I already said that Vitali was clearly better fighter, but it doesn't mean that he's some kind of evolved version of Carnera. He's sloppy as hell, he just has better talent.

 

You can use different word if you wish. He simply wasn't technically sound and his defense was all about reflex. Facing much shorter opponents on regular basics certainly helped (only Hoffman was taller than Vitali among all opponents he faced).

 

There`s no way Primo could have hurt Vitali with any shots.