Rocky Marciano vs Riddick Bowe?

Holyfield was still over 200 pounds though and still significantly heavier than the heaviest version of Marciano, taller and has a larger frame as well. Marciano was tiny and would probably get ragdolled. Im trying to tell you, the size difference is vast. It's bigger than you think. Bowe would have utterly dwared him and would have beaten him to a pulp. Holyfield was incredibly muscular probably due to PEDs but regardless he was pretty strong. He handled Tyson pretty well

 

And yet if you compare debut weight, Marciano was heavier than Holyfield. I think this is telling given the eras both fought in.

Holyfield had a slimmer waist than most women. He packed a lot of muscle on a small frame if you ask me.

and I am telling you Bowe couldn’t weigh as much in the 1950s. The advances were not there yet. If you want Rocky to be the size he was in the 1950s you need to send Bowe into the 1950s.

and in the 1950s Evander would be physically identical to Ezzard Charles.

 

Why does Holyfields debut weight matter. He was a cruiser and moved up in weight and eventually became a heavyweight. People like to call him a blown up cruiserweight but that doesn't change anything because he still weighed over 200 pounds for heavyweight and the weight didn't negativly affect him. Holyfield at heavyweight destroys Holyfield at Cruiserweight because of the size difference. You see my point.

Whats the point of using a hypothetical 1950s Riddick Bowe. We have no idea how much smaller Bowe would be. When we do these matches we use REAL Riddick Bowe vs REAL Rocky Marciano. Bowe has about 6'5, 235-240lb in his prime and Marciano was 5'11, 180-190lb. We get a time machine, put them in a ring and make then fight, 12-15 rounds your choice but it wouldn't matter because Bowe would destroy him

 

artificially weighed over 200lb. The playing field was no longer level.

But to exist in the time zone they must train in that time zone.

 

He has issues with a certain type.
Does the same with Liston, Foreman, Lewis etc when they are matched with Marciano.

It is shameful and a few of us see right through it.

 

Yeah, after saying the exact same nonsense in thousands (literally!) of posts over the past decade - I sometimes wonder, why this is so important to him? And I can't really think of an answer - it's very bizarre!

 

Bowe via KO

 

I don’t know what is so difficult to understand. It is undeniable that New information transformed what was previously achieved. Therefore, It’s not confusing or crazy to point this out in these kinds of matches.

 

230-235 lbs was Bowe's best weight. The few fights he bothered to train for was in that range.

Above that, Bowe was sluggish and wouldn't be a match for Marciano. Bowe vs Holyfield 3 was two spent forces, Bowe looked awful and Evander gassing out after dropping Bowe was uncharacteristic and I believe he was certainly ill as claimed. Had Evander not been sick, he would have stopped 240 lb Bowe.

You might as well talk up the Bowe of Golota 1...he would have a whopping 70 or 80 lb advantage on the Rock...problem is he was a big fat punching bag at that weight. Do you wanna give Bowe a chance here? He needs to come in at his best weight...even if it takes from his size advantage.

I see it as 190 lb Marciano vs 230 lb Bowe. Bowe started losing muscle and gaining fat after that.

 

So Lewis had worse defense by your estimation. Okay.


I was trying to be fair to both guys but you convinced me Wlad had the better defense. Thanks for the help on something I been on the fence on. Good point on Wlad being able to avoid exchanges on the inside while Lewis had to do it more frequently. Old tiny Holyfield certainly had Lewis doing the chicken dance in those inside excganges more times than a great defender should have allowed.

 

It should be common knowledge that a shorter man with shorter arms has the advantage on the inside.

 

So your persistence on Lewis reminds me.

Holyfield was 37 in the second bout he arguably won against the Lion. Can you remind me when Marciano went the distance with a 37 year old he had a 40 lb weight advantage over? Not just go the distance but lose a number of rounds to? Marciano vs Louis don't seem so bad a result now...does it?

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Wlad did have better defense it's obvious. He was excellent at long range and tailored his style to avoid exchanges because he got KO'd 3 times when he used to fight more like Anthony Joshua.

 

Bowe wasn't slow in the trilogy. He was slow and sluggish when he fought Golota because at that point he was over 250 pounds and looked fat as hell too. But agaisnt Holyfield he didn't look that bad at 240

 

Bowe got hit a lot in the trilogy by a smaller opponent.